[Sunrise on the beach]

that fawn dog looks a good solid dog nl, how is he bred percentage wise.

[Sunrise on the beach]

she is line bred mate all the usual suspects Charlie, jack, snowy, tramp, coalfields joe, etc etc.

[Sunrise on the beach]

very nice is that this morning its nice here on the flatland too just put mine away.

[How to improve recovery?]

bill a good dog man sees his dogs limitations and works with it to get the best out of the dog.

[How to improve recovery?]

hope you bedded them and not just pointed em

[3/4 Greyhound 1/4 Collie]

22 minutes ago, Str said:

Pup looks healthy from pics and I am sure he will be in the flesh,merles are very popular and for good reason there are very attractive especially blue ones.when you go visit the pup and your happy with him then buy him, take no notice of some of the comments on here,keeps us updated with his progress.good luck.

I agree apart from the merle bit, don't like the look at all, but for watts wanted if the pups sound and your happy should be good atb

[3/4 Greyhound 1/4 Collie]

looks right enough how's it been picked if you not been yet?

[3/4 Greyhound 1/4 Collie]

this is not a thread I would normally post on, I know nothing of collie crosses and nothing of hancock, but I would ask what did fastdogz think of their place and conditions for pups, and surely a commercial dog breading enterprise such as this will be subject to strict welfare rules.

[Speed or Stamina?]

speed is important, and knowing how to use it is more important, dogs that go all in every run may look impressive but cant keep that up for long, I have known people who have been in dogs a long time and haven't learned nothing speed is all ways the answer to these, a fast dog with a good mouth they all ways say that MIGHT be ok on bunnys but hares rarely fall for that look back at the waterloo cup one run up the field an knackered.

[Speed or Stamina?]

10 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

Slow clever dogs get fecking straight lined. Lol.

only for the first 5 minuets lol a chap I used to run with never could understand how my virtual saluki's ever cought so many, and one day we had an accidental double hander and his fast bitch all ways seemed to be in the way and looked very second rate,  he could not understand that either.

[Speed or Stamina?]

what ever impresses you does not mater a dog needs both its as simple as that, a fast rabbiting dog is very exiting to watch but may have lots of runs in a session, so needs stamina for that, a coursing dog on the other hand will be having fewer runs but they will likely last longer, so he needs stamina in a different way, l  like an up and at em type and clever enough to know when to apply pressure and when to hold back and use stamina, fast stupid dogs fail slow clever dogs prevail.

[How to improve recovery?]

19 hours ago, green lurchers said:

He’s. bred bigland boy   non ped racer  x staff back to bigland lad   Son of bigland boy , 3/4 non ped 1/4 staff    Very fast dog only young ?

hows my dog in your motor lol

[How to improve recovery?]

back when I was a boy most of the whippet men worked their dogs as well, not many greyhound men do, and I think its that that has made the whippet a better animal.

[How to improve recovery?]

some interesting theories, whippets always had more stamina than grey hounds that's a fact, where I grew up there  was loads of whippet raceing, and if you wanted more pace in your lurchers that's what you went to, and stamina /recovery was never a problem, ok my dogs had saluki in them but I still think the whippet played a huge part, the fawn bitch was from my sal x beddy lurcher bitch to a good non ped racing whippet dog this bitch had bags of stamina and great recovery other bitch is off her to a related dog, so same way bred but not direct whippet no difference, long way to say it but I think all the training in the world wont improve your dog enough to make any real difference, its in its breeding.

[Game Salukis]

26 minutes ago, Busher100 said:

Maybe the coursing dogs that are x with greyhound do, but pure saluki do not have sprinters muscles because they aint

the line bred coursing dogs that are common today are almost a separate dog to a straight hybrid, so do show more muscle than pure saluki, and to be honest if  you could work out the percentages because of out crossing to pure sal from time to time, they must be nearly all saluki just better for here.

[Game Salukis]

The History of the Galgo

Many theories exist as to the lineage of the Spanish galgo — it is a sighthound mix, possibly Irish greyhound and sloughi or deerhound. The galgo is an ancient breed, named for the Gauls, a Celtic tribe that lived in the Iberian Peninsula the sixth century BC. It is thought that the Celts, who appreciated fine hunting dogs, acquired sighthounds from the Phoenician merchants who plied the Spanish coasts. The Moors, who conquered Spain in the eighth century, may have bred African sighthounds with Spanish galgos. Most of the galgos used for hunting today are mixed with Irish racing greyhounds or other breeds to produce a fast coursing dog.

Originally brought to Spain by noblepersons, the galgo was held in high esteem. After decades of theft and indiscriminate breeding by the lower classes, the galgo lost its favor and was — and still is — viewed as a "trash dog," owned only by the lower classes. The galgo was bred for hunting and coursing and is an elegant sighthound. The unscrupulous breeding brought with it beautiful variations in color, coat and size. The coats range from short hair (like that of a greyhound), to varying degrees of long and wirehair coats, as seen in the Scottish deerhound and other sighthounds. The galgo is a sighthound similar to the racing greyhound, although they are generally smaller. The purebred Galgo Español is 44-70 pounds and stands 23-29 inches at the shoulder.

Like all sighthounds, the galgo is fast and agile. They tend to be very playful and have more energy than their racing counterparts. Although some have a high prey drive, many live peacefully with cats. Galgos generally do best living with others dogs as they are used to living in close quarters with others of their breed. They are capable of jumping fences and must always be leashed when outside an enclosed area. Due to lack of socializing and positive experiences with people when young, galgos can be leery of people at first. However, they bond strongly with their adoptive families and the emergence of their comical personalities is a wonderful experience!

[Game Salukis]

29 minutes ago, fireman said:

I was saying it's just what i think,if i was a pure chaser of the hare i'd have a native bred dog for doing so with,not knocking those that do with what ever dog they want to it just ain't for me....

Just to add for my own lurcher has saluki,bull and belgium mally blood in her so it isn't i have issues with foreign blooded dogs,i'd just use a native bred dog if i was a coursing man...

I appreciate what your saying mate and  variety is the spice of the lurcher world , during the 90's when coursing clubs were common there was still lads running collie crosses, greyhounds allsorts of things, but but by the end they all saw the light, you need to have some chance of success to enjoy any sport, and not all saluki lurchers are champions, far from it and brown hares don't role over easy.  with regard to galgos what is there ancestry, and is the Spanish hare same as ours.

[Game Salukis]

1 minute ago, dogmandont said:

I think what fireman is getting at is it should be a native breed on a native quarry. F**k the sand dogs. Lol.

you would have to lamp them then and that would be cheating.

[Game Salukis]

1 hour ago, edrd said:

We all different  I’d take another firstx but they game ones are hard to come buy especially the pures ?dam and sire  

the problem these days there are not that many good tested saluki's about and even fewer greyhounds, sadly.

[Game Salukis]

1 hour ago, in the slips said:

Flash the black n tan pure he was a proper coursing saluki and he did throw some really good dogs .

sure did mate you know who I am pm me your number and we have a chat atb

[Game Salukis]

over the years all sorts were tried and nothing comes close, when I was running saluki lurchers in the 1970'severy one else had dearhound crosses they were ok on daytime hares but not even close to my saluki lurchers, i bred some good first crosses and as edrd says were extremely game, although I only ever hunted hare and rabbit, dogs I bred took every thing single handed and took it well.

[Game Salukis]

1 minute ago, edrd said:

Great picture how game was it ?

decent dog for a pure but only for hares, no honey badgers round our end.

[Game Salukis]

 the hare while quick off the mark, has fantastic stamina and can not be classed as a sprinter, and a coursing lurcher must poses this to stand any chance of being a consistent hare catcher, the saluki is the only dog that can add the x factor, we in this country have taken a dog that was developed thousands of years ago and added it to our dogs to create (in my eyes at least) a superior animal bred for a specific purpose, I don't know when the first saluki crosses appeared, or indeed if it was done with any knowledge of what would happen, this dog was the father of my first saluki cross almost fifty years ago.

[Game Salukis]

it would have to be some dog to pin that down with its feet ffs, and i thought ala said it was ok to eat it as long as it was your saluki that cought it.

[Coursing sire for stud wanted]

I  all ways suggest coursing types to cross to lurchers as the mix often produces, however you say your bitch is collie'fied and the pup you want is for lamping,  and you already have saluki in your bitch, so stamina  probably ok,  then a grew be the way to go for me all day long.