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4 hours ago, sandymere said:
The wooly coat is likely just a genetic click with the saluki feathering so may well be down to the saluki ancestry as anything else.
As an aside it would be interesting to see how location would alter the UK coursing types, size and style wise?
3 hours ago, Gilbey said:yeah think its just the saluki coat mixing with the lurcher coat, I put up some pics once of saluki with her normal coat and then in her dotage with a long coat. If you look at the peds of the proper woolly's you can trace it back to a mans dogs, and they don't look like any beddy crosses more cur
saluki coats vary a lot from different countries and regions within those countries, I bred some crosses with nothing but saluki and greyhound in and some of the feathered ones were almost wooly, back in the seventys I bred some smaller ones by using whippet for the smaller fields and barbed wire where I lived they were spot on. the pic I put up shows one 22/23 looks just like a modern one.
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9 hours ago, Busher100 said:
Do you think the rough coat still hangs about because alot of the coursing dogs go back to the same early dogs basically line breeding keeping it with in the type
yes it def comes from way back, and we keep breeding it in, most of the early saluki bred dogs were of lurchers not greyhounds so could be any thing in their makeup.
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1 minute ago, Busher100 said:
But how many times have the those original coursing animals been put back to pure salukis and straight saluki Grey's I'm sure if you worked out the amount of beddy blood in them it would probably be less than a 1/16
your correct, with these dogs today the peds are written down, and percentage wise there nearly pure saluki but very different , our version if you like, and nothing else needs to be added, they are complete and need keeping so.
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7 minutes ago, Maximus Ferret said:
Out of interest, does anyone think that the bedlington blood in the back pedigrees of most top strains of fendog or coursing dog makes them better than hounds with only saluki and greyhound in them?
My own feeling is that it does because although testing and selection over generations has obviously been the primary factor the mixture of breeds provided the raw material to work on in the first place.
4 minutes ago, Busher100 said:I'd of thought it would be so diluted it wouldn't make a difference
yes to both it is diluted, but it made the early dogs what they were and that makes the present dogs what they are, coursing bred bitch with bedy blood 40 odd years ago and present day line bred bitch.
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so the father to the pups is from jake and queeney is that correct some very good breeding these pups should be very handy, I once bred some off a sal lurcher to a whippet dog they were awesome, good luck.
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starting off with something and trying to change it into something that already exists is pointless, what phil said about purpose bred dogs is spot on, if hares are your thing you know what to get, same for fox or deer, there are hundreds of great rabbiting lurchers out there, so why bother trying to go back in time, however if the dear hound cross lights your fire go for it and be happy, as I have got older I don't take my self ore my dogs to seriously and my enjoyment has gone up as a result.
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in the seventy's I saw quite a few f1 and three quarters run and if ime honest and I usualy am they were very average and that's being kind, in the early 2000s lads we ran with started on about these again one got a d/h lurcher was no good, another lad got a f1 now this one was very capable at running hares, easy fast enough tight runner, and cought the od un, but jacked on 9 out 10, heart of a mouse, there are better out there for every thing, but old gyp belonged to a good mate of mine he was generation d/h lurcher and a great lamper, I liked old gyp proper dog, but the day he ran a hare in the daytime the hare made the hedge and old gyp came trotting back he thought that was it' lol.
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On 11/05/2018 at 14:42, socks said:
Fukcing can if they have lion in them .....
this bitch took all quarry day and night single handed of course, quarter grey tree quarter lion.
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saw this old hancock add for Alsatian greys while sorting old mags to sell
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look grand how is the sire bred please.
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14 minutes ago, Black neck said:
Yes there corkers any plans on breeding them
never know mate, but owner is a farmer so by nature a greedy bugger, so if there is a few bob in it.
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look nice pal, always amazes me how dogs take to any one never judge.
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was working at a farm today blacky and saw this matched pair obviously seen some action,
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I went down this road once with saluki greyhounds, but unless you cross two dogs of the same percentage together each generation is going to be different from the last. you realy cant beat line breading like x like for both ability and appearance .
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1 hour ago, Black neck said:
Thanks chris
bollocks
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mother is just a good honest stableyard type but father is the roadsweeper top single handed brush realy fast hard type.
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could not resist, as I said know nothing about em but my one for next season looks promising, ok might be a bit young but took to it like a duck to water, I will put her away now while September.
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must say blacky I feel a long way out my comfort zone here as I know nothing about brushes and even less about sweeping, but that new un looks spot on to my untrained eye.
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On 25/05/2018 at 11:14, Black neck said:
I'm sure you have heard on him salt
1 thing he reckons is true is that mammals self regulate them own numbers for example
A vixen refusing a dog fox cos there ain't many rabbits about or a buck saying "lads the grazing is poor lets gi it best on the rut this year "
Bellend hope bills mate fills the c**t in
most animal populations will self regulate and food is key, if there are to many rabbits they starve ore mixi strikes, far more humane to keep them under control, same with all animals rely , even people.
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6 hours ago, nothernlite said:
just past this year on her second attempt (failed the theory) examiner said it was the saluki in it .
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black neck its not raining here now but I'm not going back, your right by the way.
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9 hours ago, Black neck said:
Might struggle with the hunting part but spose I could just go into beer tent mode and tell outrageous lies
spend the summer in the beer tents write it all down instant best seller and a great summer cant fault it.
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back when I started a long long time ago ,saluki was introduced direct to peoples existing lurchers to improve coursing ability, but little did they know just how important these crosses would become in the creation of what we take for granted, todays coursing dogs have had generations of men breading best to best to achieve this, these dogs have such a deapth of breading behind them its unreel, here is an old pic from the early days the bigger bitch is fly beddlington lurcher cross saluki, this bitch was an awesome hare killer and a decent knock about dog the smaller bitch is off her to a non ped whippet very fast but clever with it. pic about 1973/4 ish.
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breading the ideal lurcher is a tricky one to say the least, some want this some want that etc etc,, not to big not to small, with coursing dogs it was slightly easier because its more of a specialist type, with most folk wanting the same thing, and by crossing best to best, here we are with a dog almost pure in its breading, and with a couple of coat variations throes very nearly true to type, making the fi redundant. both greyhounds and grews can be to bullish, and headstrong that's why I believe by adding saluki by using a coursing type you will get a much steadier animal with a coursing brain and no drop in pace.
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I don't think a fox would take much catching up to, by any sort of lurcher unless the dog not trying, after that different thing, not my bag though tbh, I have a 243 for them, that don't jack.