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  1. On ‎01‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 17:12, W. Katchum said:

    Na  no robots am a few poles haha where’s yer permission roughly mate, I work leyburn way

    I used to ferret up that way 30 odd years ago an arab owned the moor, we used to get over a hundred every week, but one day  it snowed and we had to leave early we only got 70 odd that day lol, when I was a kid  there  was a farm in the village run  by four brothers, and I went to tell them their cows were out one day and they blamed me the b*****ds, our old man went mad. I poached there land for years after that.

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  2. 4 hours ago, TOMO said:

    yes pete betts...he was head keeper at the time....i herd maybe 10 years ago he had died.....was only in his 50,s....his brother was also a keeper on the estate....the old keeper in his 90,s i dont remember his name sadly

    my dads mate was joe betts, might be there dad I know there still there because the lad I get poults from supplies them, small world mate.

  3. 3 hours ago, W. Katchum said:

    i been reading this thread an seeing as it fill a decent answers I won’t take the piss ?

     

    to me the saluki an even the crosses that are saturated in them are top athletes, superb hunters, natural readers of prey an very loyal, but an there is a big but ? how many need that bottomless stamina only needed for 4 min fens runs? 

    A lurcher to me like any dog needs to be able to come here am settle in an mould around me an my family an our life’s, I’m not about to change life for a dog that wants to be aloof an reserved if it don’t get its own way or decided cos I was working yesterday it don’t wanna come home after todays shift ? i need a a dog that will get upto upto it’s prey an do deed asap, an Salukis are known for letting runs last longer than usual, an before anybody starts crying these are all things iv seen with my own eyes with guys an dogs that are well paired but still have odd hicup as he calls it as it’s been bred into them? I think the saluki deffo has its place In dog world an lurcher breeding but it’s not all it’s cracked up to be?

    decent post, the stamina thing also helps with recovery, and the ability to catch several animals one after another off one slip, I like a lot of saluki in my crosses, but for most lads doing general lurcher stuff quarter is plenty when the rest is lurcher, the modern line bred coursing dogs are almost pure saluki in percentage terms, though very different in reality.

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  4. I dropped my doughter at work this morning anon the way saw a black and tan old fashiond looking mongrel about 22" and said to her that would throw a nice level headed pup to a grew, I was born [BANNED TEXT] near welbeck my old man was mates with some of the keepers was his name betts  tommo.

  5. most people who work ordinary lurchers have the wrong temp for saluki type dogs, the ability to be trained and intelligence are not the same, ive  used em on the lamp worked em with bushing dogs and ferrets and they pick up all these natural given chance. I also work cocker spaniels , and one of if not the best cocker man in the country  said the best dogs are always on the verge of going wrong,  I have an old cocker dog here that I badly trained, and yet is so naturaly talented he makes me look  good week in week out. let your sals use there natural ability you may like it.

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  6. the problem with trying to improve what you have is every thing you add can move things to much, then you add something else to correct it, and your further away from your goal, the top quality coursing blood we have today has decades of best to best breeding, the quality shines through time and time again, because there is so much depth to it, having said all that I am sure it will improve your type of dog atb.

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  7. 1 hour ago, low plains drifter said:

    What was the hare population like in the early days mate, must have been different altogether back then, early 90's up here in Northumberland used to find some good numbers on certain land, few and far between now

    in the late 60s and all through the 70s the hare population in the east and north midlands was very strong, and hunted regular round the pit villages by the mouching lurcher  boys, so  the hares we ran were good hares and on a good cross section of land from almost fen like to small fields with thick hedges, from heavy clay, to blowing sand, so dogs that made the grade were proper dogs, not much about now where I was mate.

  8. On ‎02‎/‎09‎/‎2016 at 20:34, thefensarefarbutistillgo said:

    Cheers for the info lads, interesting stuff, lot of show bred stuff in his pedigree yet his offspring where renowned for there incredible stamina and heart, when people first started using deacon as a stud it was the first time such stamina was seen in coursing lurchers like kippers pip and fh Bill dog, Bill who was straight out of deacon once ran a hare for over 5 mins then when he had killed that another hare got up and he ran that for 4 mins and killed that aswell totalling over 9 mins running time, I was told bill one day also ran his first 3 hares and missed them, then was ran on another 5 hares after that which he killed all of them and they were long gruelling runs aswell, also Casper killed 16 hares in 3 days in a row on bottomless ground, some feat, Someone told me when deacon was bought as a pup they would only sell him to be used as a show dog and not to be worked, just shows you

    great producer deacon, but we had saluki lurchers  20 years before him and the staminer was bottomless, and as a young lad I ran mine all year round from hard as rock to bottomless bog and I never broke one lol and people talk about testing dogs, ours went out nearly every day and we never talked about 3s and 4s we expected ours to kill every one, lol

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  9. casso's advice sounds very good to me, I work cockers and sal crosses, so know nothing of dog training but does anyone else walk this dog? if so is it the same? is he good at home ? and could this dog be protecting you because he see's himself above you in the pack,

  10. On ‎26‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 23:44, trenchfoot said:

    As a young man I too used to think like that. And then I went on to make the same mistakes many of my forbears did. And they didn't want to listen either. Old heads on young shoulders are prized for good reason. 

    Some traditions may belong in the history books, but there are others, that some lads (and they ain't all young) have no comprehension of. And it is those differences that differentiate true sporting dog men and just men with sporting dogs. And we all pay the price

    that's a bit deep trench

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  11. a chap we used to course with before the ban had a first cross bitch from an out cross mateing by a pure breeder, she was a fast and big strong good looking bitch but sadly had the heart of a mouse, used to jack all the time. and I saw loads run in the 70s decent enough for what they were but their days were numbered, they could not compete with saluki crosses and most of the early saluki crosses were saluki lurchers, not saluki greyhounds as the lads that had the chance used salukis over there existing bitches, I kept and bred this type since the late 60s none better, these early coursing dogs have developed in to the line bred coursing dogs of today. good luck with the pup find his strengths  and weaknesses and work to them and be happy.

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  12. 20 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

    A few lads kept in contact although I ain't heard nothing from a lad on the South Coast for a couple of months.

    One was lost in May suspected maybe killed by train

    Nice stamp of bitch

    Lad south coast had caught hoof and puss around a year old.

    Another lad in NE saying at mo best bitch daytime he's ever owned but early days.

    Another lad said his retrieved to take always first night of asking.

    Mine is just had a season will start soon .

     

    chears just interested how they turned out.

  13. 1 hour ago, maxhardcore said:

    If someone had the right Deerhound bitch anyone of those two greyhounds would compliment them.

    I put Art Banksy over a Splodge x Fettle bitch and from the couple of lads who have kept in contact and sent pics you could take them for old type Deerhound crosses.

    how are these doing in the field max, did you keep one .

  14. 2 hours ago, sandymere said:

    Perhaps part of the problem is the greyhounds that are being used. Modern coursing type greyhounds are big animals that are not overly successful hare catchers, so crossing a massive deerhound with a pretty big greyhound isn’t going to do much towards bringing down the size or increasing agility. I’m not saying big dogs can’t catch but rather those that can do so in spite of their size, especially when one considers it would be F1 hybrid so likely to throw larger than smaller in the 1st generation.

    An animal of about 26” will not have to overcome its size; in fact the opposite is true and many of the dogs from history were more 26” than 30”. Everyone extolls those D/H hybrids from the 70’s and 80’s so look at the type of greyhounds they were using back then and you’ll find in many cases it was a track greyhound and they were smaller then than now, even the coursing dogs back then if used were smaller. Then consider an average modern track dog if moved back 30 years world be a top class animal likely better than the dogs used then so perhaps the answer would be to use a smaller staying track greyhound x D/H to breed a working type animal.

    Alternatives would be a coursing type lurcher or Galgo crossed to a D/H to make a smaller, lighter type with agility and stamina but still quite typy. With the former the F2’s might be a little variable but not too much.

    I ran saluki crosses right through the 70s and 80s and loads of lads ran dearhound crosses back then and I never saw a gooden  day time, ones that were good lampers all had something else in em , if its a rough lurcher that's wanted beddy cross all day long for me.

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  15. back in the 70s a mate of mine had a lab cross he was a tidy dog for mouching another bloke in the village had one his was a bit racier and cought the odd hare, walking home one night we had just hares and I saw a rabbit squatting and cought it by hand tommy begged it off me and for the next 20 years always mentiond that when he saw me, made me smile tonight, I have a first class cocker dog would leave a good pup to a grew dog never stops and always finds the unfindable when picking up.

  16. another thread gone west, we work dogs because we like it, so chill out and enjoy what you have it will seem so much better, when my cockers f**k up I don't get excited I just get on, my dogs and me are as good as some and better than most, but I don't take myself to seriously these days, its so much better that way.

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  17. I have had saluki crosses for many years and used them for coursing hares, lamping rabbits, and general mooching about, but only because hares were my main interest so the dog of choice for that had to do it all. if rabbit work was my top priority I would get a rabbiting dog off proven rabbiting parents simple as that, I only ever had one dog with bad recall or none at all realy he was a found dog he stayed couse the kids liked him he was as nice as pie in all other ways and a good killer but when he missed that was game over so he ended up a pet.

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