That's it that's why I've had my Owen stuff for 27 years and apart from Cesar 5 years ago have never taken in a pup from ells were and I'm such a Messer with dogs I drove from the Highlands of Scotland to Birmingham had a cuppa a sandwich a chat with a proper dog man and his family.picking up the pup and drove back the 20+ hours round trip. also on the back of a pland flight to Wales we swapped flights to Birmingham to see pups at around two weeks the only other face to face meeting with the owner.i must of come across as a complete wanker / Messer as he would not take a penny off me for the d