this post has gotten abit out of hand lol it all started over the whole dog pulling and couple of people saying yes they do pull, and all those meaning pups, new starters..my dog never pulls even if she sees something..i said she pulled WHEN she thought the lead had been removed because she spotted something, my mistake or the dog mistake, i say neither just a mis hap, my dog wakjs to seal if i want her too ,sits ,lies,jumps ,stays, quick recall day and night once missed it back to me..all been taught over a period of time i didnt rush her and im never going too..shes has only seen abit, but i