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  1. Deerhound greyhound collie greyhound

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    2 hours ago, whitefeet4190 said:

    Can anyone with this cross put some pics up please, I ha e a collie grey now and he's not a bad shape at 10 month old but can't help thinkin he looks like u could do with a bit more leg, just interested to see what a splash of deerhound could add 

     

    I haven't got one but could show you a side on photo of a deer/grey if that's any good? You'll see leg length and back.

  3. Deerhound greyhound collie greyhound

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    50 minutes ago, whitefeet4190 said:

    I do like them but I'd just be worried I'd end up with the pup that turned out like a hairy giraffe 

    I've seen some right funny looking deerhound saluki/greyhound ones and some very nice ones from the same breeding too.?

    Deerhound/collie/grey do seem to blend well though and people have been breeding them for a long time now.

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  4. Deerhound greyhound collie greyhound

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    Posted · Edited by Maximus Ferret
    afterthought

    16 minutes ago, whitefeet4190 said:

    Collies have a good coat an feet ?

    not many people mention this about deerhound in a cross but it adds a long back to a collie cross and this gives it a better stride for covering rough ground (like rocky, heathery places).

    It also can give a steady temperament but a GOOD collie cross should have this anyway. Length of leg and size as many collie crosses, especially the bitches can turn out 22 to 23 inches and IMHO that's too small for a real RHFD dog.

    I do like collie crosses though and I've had more of them than anything else over the years so I know what I'm talking about.

    I own a deer/grey ATM and she's the softest mouth rabbit dog I've ever had. I put this down partly to the fact that her jaws are so big that she doesn't get kicked or buffeted by the rabbit she's carrying.

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  5. Coursing Dogs / Saluki Dogs On Deer??

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    14 hours ago, poxon said:

    The subject was deer in general it didn’t specify on the title of the thread that it was just fallow or sika deer or out an out deer dogs. I was on about roe an muntjac As deer in general that’s still a achievement for such a small bitch of 21tts how many 21tts dogs do you know that are more than rabbit dogs. There’s no denying a dog/bitches capability’s if there dropping fallow or sika saying they need to be Say a set size weight hight would be foolish ability comes in all shapes an sizes were all here just giving a opinion on what we see as suitable because none of us can say as a set in stone rule it needs to be this that or the other. 

    I see what you're saying Poxon and I have seen a small dog take roe and I mentioned fallow only as some of the earlier conversation mentioned them.

    Personally I'd still try and choose a reasonably tall and strong dog if I wanted deer to be part of it's job. Over rough ground I believe a good springy saluki or deerhound type bounding stride makes for less injuries too.

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  6. Coursing Dogs / Saluki Dogs On Deer??

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    2 hours ago, poxon said:

    I’m not really a saluki fan or do I have any thing at all against them there just not my bag but what I’ve seen an heard is a lot of people say is with Salukis there all different with how the breeding of them goes they all have different running styles an builds tbh I couldn’t see why a saluki or a saluki x shouldn’t do deer if it’s got the heart for it ??‍♂️ A mate of mine used to have a bitch that was 21tts not really a heavy built bitch at all fine an racey she was a proper bitza bred collie deerhound greyhound whippet that little dog was forever nocking them over with ease not really the type of dog that most would use for them or call a deer dog but the little dog had heart an a knack for dropping them in my eyes that was a deer dog it become the dogs profession 

    On the subject of mature fallow bucks though, I've never known of a fine 21 inch type animal able to take them down. Even sika stags are trouble for small finely built dogs.

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  7. Bedlington greyhound

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    17 hours ago, nothernlite said:

    Died inside the bitch went bad 

    Genuinely very sorry to hear that NL.. I don't have beddy crosses and never have but I really like yours. As Bird says, hope the bitch pulls through OK.

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  12. 11weeks

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    Tricky one to advise on. The vets over here will sell you things through the door so you could buy the vacc and do it yourself. Is it possible to find one there that would do the same?

    Personally I take my pups out before the vacc has taken effect but I go by car to somewhere where I won't meet other dogs. It's still a risk of course ( foxes or strays might have been by) but I take the risk as I run some very rough ground at times and want the pup to grow up running on it as early as possible so it's a risk I take.

    Hope it all works out for you mate.

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  19. Can they??

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    10 hours ago, morton said:

    Did it ever win?,im just saying anybody can polish the odd un to earn a ribbon,the mutts that are bred to the challenge will always fare better without as much endeavour.I could train a Russel,Border or Collie,a decent Collie would possibly feck all statistics up,anything will prove semi effective if given the chance,the purpose bred uns have the advantage of being better equipped for the challenge and a fat,barrel chested,short legged,slavver gummed staff would not be high on my canine einstein charts.Harewood learnt me a very expensive lesson,don,t take on the toffs and expect to win.

    A gundog scurry is a race with a little obedience added. It isn't what gundogs were bred for at all. A working type lurcher, properly trained to it should kick the ass of most gundogs in a scurry.

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  22. pure greyhound as a steady worker??

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    Good luck with it Gibbo. There was a litter of deer/grey on a thread on here recently, I think in Northumberland, so if it works out and you're looking for a dog they may be worth contacting.

    Racing whippets with a lot of greyhound blood often make good hunters so why wouldn't a pure have a good chance.

  23. Pup training trouble

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    I've had lurchers all my adult life too, mostly from pups but occasionally older and in my opinion pups are easier to train (obedience train that is). Here's why. Pups have their drive and enthusiasm untampered with and as long as you have a bit of patience and savvy you can direct this along the right lines. What you're experiencing does sound to me like puppy stuff so I'll tell you how I'd deal with it.

    1) The recall. I'd keep him on a lead when other dogs are around to begin with. Practise recall when you're alone with him and run off if it needs speeding up. High value food treats like small cubes of boiled chicken, fried liver etc. are good for recall to begin with but they can't match the excitement of running after another dog or squirrel or rabbit for that matter. You should be aiming to become more interesting to the pup than other dogs are. This may take a while but make the walks exciting by playing a lot. Limit retrieves to 2 or three at first to keep him wanting more and be prepared to take a step back if you see him losing interest.

    2) The jumping up. You obviously don't want a dog that jumps on you or anyone else but I'm prepared to tolerate this a bit in younger pups to keep their drive high so I just avoid situations where they'll jump on anyone else and discourage the sort of people who praise the pup when he does this.

    Pups do need to be disciplined at times but this needs to be carefully done depending on the temperament of the pup. The impatient type of person that let's say smacks a small pup for growling gets either a slinking, nervous dog if it's a sensitive border collie type, or if it's a dominant type it may decide aggression is king, and may behave for the trainer but bite people it sees as weaker like the trainers spouse or children or pets etc.  Good training means assesing situations quickly and responding with the right response quickly. A pup I have on ATM started growling at an older bitch of mine (over food). My reaction was to grab him quickly by the throat, no shaking, just "no" in a quiet and firm voice. This was enough for him though I've had to reinforce it a time or two as I have 4 dogs living in the house and two are older retired types. I'm beginning to woffle on so I'll leave it at that but if you want to look at youtube vids on training I'd recomend Michael Ellis and Stonnie Dennis as two good trainers with good vids on tug play retrieving etc.

    Hope this helps.

    PS. He will grow out of messing with other dogs if you play it right and he'll get to like you better but it can take a while with some so play with him and enjoy your time with your pup while he's young.

  24. Happy St Patrick’s day

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    11 hours ago, dogmandont said:

    Even if it is a dry one. Lol. 

    Not for me it isn't. I'm sipping an IPA as I type this. Nothing else to do as it's a bank holiday and e3verywhere's on lockdown. Had the mutts out early and now I'm relaxing so happy saints day!??

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  25. Dogs pulling of stuff they know they can’t catch. Good or bad?

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    2 hours ago, morton said:

    Im nearly 60,i had my first lurcher when i was 5,i did,nt have a clue what i was  doing at the time and the waterhens it killed became compost as they are not edible,try one.When i was 21 me and lurchers started to become a serious distraction to beer,birds with long legs and curvy tits and the wife,the first wife left me because of the mutts and the second wife caught me in my halcyon days with the runners,she stuck by me when she did,nt see me for hours at a time distracted by long gallops,big bags,lamps,ferrets and nets.I bred and hunted more mutts than some,less than betters,i lost count of the rabbits the mongrels slayed,the hares i missed and the company i kept.Thus when i state,with a little authenticity that ive witnessed a lurcher or two that where often a tad above average and at least one of them was my own.The finest lurcher ive seen in the field caught far more,for far longer than most,possibly because in the early 80,s the dales encouraged such,as did the A1 corridor and the coursing to be had at that time,that dog picked its runs every time it went out,a fox stupid enough to wander into its field of vision entered or died.Everything i strived for after that was to own,breed and run something close to what i perceived to be the holy grail of lurchers,believe me ive never owned or bred anything as good,im proud of the fact ive come close and owned mutts that killed far more but never as well.The best lurcher i owned would not run a rabbit sat on an hedge,an hare that ran through the hedge was pursued with relentless vigour,the lurcher knew its runs and quarry,a bunny sat on the horizon was ignored,an hare or other quarry within its visual range was chased down with all its endeavour.Thus i rate a mutt that picks its runs and knows a tad more than a few lurcher owners.

    I'd go with most of that Morton except that moorhens are most definately edible! I've eaten loads but you do need to skin them before roasting (hot for a shortish time). One of the things that irritates me most about going out with other people is when they have dogs that make a dash at everything they see, usually clearing the ground before a more sensible dog has a chance to work it up properly.

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