WM. i keep my plummer for my own enjoyment. i dont need to justify owning them. i dont know you or your dogs. so cant defend them. to be honest i dont want to get involved in petty squabbles on the www. what i will say is i have never bred a plummer. so i;m not qualified to comment on this side of the debate. if and when i do. it will be from worker to worker. or not at all. i have no involvement with any club be it plummer or otherwise. i moderate on the plummer forum. that i my only involvement. you crack on with your self promotion and i'll do my thing.