btw taz - if your gonna get job as a 'keeper, then 6 o'clock start will be your lie in! when i started as underkeeper use to be up at 4 on shoot day, feeding dogs, washing dogs, washing landrovers etc. then be working all day, take days bag to game larder, hang it up, then as the guns are having their evening meal, make my way back out to meet them for an evening duck flight. pick up, get dogs back, dry them off, have a quick bit of toast then to bed. and up again next morning for the same. you'll love it, i do!!