Chris agree 100%, so why would a lad bring on a pup for for 15 months or so and expect the pup to a tough job single, thats the part I dont understand, Any dog man worth his weight would never chance to ruin a pup in such a manner.
Maybe some people just can't get out with an experienced fox dog ... Knew I couldn't when I started mine .
Now I'm lucky to know a couple of lads who have good fox dogs which I could get my pup started with or I've got my own older dog