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12 minutes ago, wilbur foxhound said:
One of my mates had a 22 and used a round called yellow jackets,I think they had a picture of a hornet or a wasp on the box,are these still available
The last ones I saw available were on Henry kranks website.
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Yes think the American eagle is still made.
I remember being quite impressed when they first turned up in the nineties.
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If you think that's bad Jarvis I once drove miles and pulled the rifle out only to realise I had left the bolt at home!
You did ok.
I had two jimneys over ten years. I love them.
U.
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Anyone remember American eagle. Think made by federal. They were ok too in several rifles.
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I remember the xpeditors but never tried them.
The only rifle I had joy with stingers was a Remington 597.
Yellow jackets were decent in a Krico I had but I think it was a fluke brick I bought in the nineties, others after were bad. In fact most Remington 22 ammo is mediocre.
I was given hundreds of old Canadian ammo with date stamp of 46, thats 1946.
They shot very well, standard velocity, very consistent and no failures.
I noticed my local dealer had some old white box Winchester subs. I bet they are better than the newer stuff!
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4 hours ago, toxo said:
Yes Nathan but apart from the 17 hornet case being bigger there's not much difference and I can't see why the primer/powder can't be put in after annealing and case forming. Maybe some money saving issue in the process?
Possibly they are using existing equipment based around the WMR case.
Thought they could short cut the neck sizing.
Sure they could prime after with some engineering but it would cost to much as far as the board of directors was concerned!
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34 minutes ago, toxo said:
I anneal 17 hornet when forming from 22 hornet. I believe they couldn't anneal because the powder (liquid) went in first. Maybe they do it differently now.
The cases are primed via a special method being a rimfire and has to be done first, before sizing. No heat can be applied after so the cases are cold formed and quickly too...that's when the issues can occur.
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6 hours ago, Alsone said:
I read some suggestions on another forum that the HMR rounds now are slightly heavier and slightly larger suggesting an increase in case thickness. I have no way of verifying this. Only way to know is if someone has old vs new to compare on the scales or even disassemble with a micrometer. Either way, the dialogue I read over there, seemed also to point to users no longer having issues.
They wouldn't chamber if they were larger.
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1 hour ago, andyf said:
Lasers (In the 1980's were called Lazer, with a 'Z' and then also sported nickel plated brass).
Yep anyway I got a 500 brick at the CLA about 10 years ago and still have a few boxes left, they are my 'go to' copper washed HV
round, even though they spelled the name differently and have a plain brass case.
My best accuracy round however is the GECO 22l.r. RIFLE 40gr solids, Red box with the picture of an Biathlon 'bloke' on it, these are
the ultimate tack driver ammo in my rifle (SAKO Finnfire Varmint, cut to 16") 4 shots at 75yards off a bipod & bag nearly always a single ragged hole
Of course no use for hunting, not least cos they pass through 'everything' making a .22 hole but worse they ricochet VERY badly.
AndyF
I remember the nickeled cases.
We shot hundreds of rabbits with them. A mate had a Russian vostoc rifle and the lasers loosened the action and increased head space. We had to tig some weld to the bolt handle to snug the action up again!
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Found some today locally.
Got 100 to try and I will be returning to get more!
Adequately accurate. I had to lower zero from the rws HV settings another 2"@100. Coincidentally the rws were lousy consistency wise! Half not breaking sound today out of 25rds.
I also hope the lasers expand better than the rws! Jess was clean today and I was hoping to not bath her again but then the squirrel happened!
Well, it was the second squirrel of the day. I shot it at about thirty yards. It drops to the ground by its hollowed ash and crawls inside, Jess just missing it (like normal). Jess then decides to start digging!
It had crawled up inside the hollow just out of reach. By the blood it was dead but not dead quick enough! I suspect the rws don't expand much!
I got me a pheasant whilst out too and at the same time shot the first squirrel.
Anyway I had a jolly good plink on the way home. On at 100, post is 150ish.
On at 30, +1"@50. Certainly more potent than the rws.
Anyway, dog behaved and had had another bloody bath!
U.
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1 hour ago, David.evans said:
Sorry for the late reply. U
CHICKEN WINGS ALL THE WAY
you wont be live this but soaked in meaty bovril
atb
Thing is, I could sit still long enough without going and taking a wing or two back for myself
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1 hour ago, walshie said:
Uhuh, uhuh, zzzzzz. And that has what to do with whether someone should get an hmr?
It's ok.
I remember when I was mad keen.
Keen to shoot at extended distances.
Pulled some good ones off but in all honesty most were missed shots.
The powder and bullet makers were well happy, it just got frustrating.
It's not gravity that is the issue, that's a constant so reliable. It's the atmosphere, like some forums, often tempestuous and unpredictable!
Fortunately there are some calmer places one can visit!
And 400 yd rabbits are at a worse peril than ever before from me! Now I have to get closer which is far worse than the kid with all the latest gizmos and a near laser flat shooting rifle!
U.
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6 hours ago, Baldcoot said:
Nice to see Jess has calmed down again ,good shooting ,them Chinese rifles are getting there .Let,s face it half the worlds tech is made there so they know what quality the west expects and are delivering it.Is the Pheasant heading for roast,stewed or maybe Fahjita or kebab ?
Jess has been thinking and listening a bit more of late yes. Alot better.
I always like a fettle and the Chinese stuff is ripe for fettling. I find it more enjoyable, it makes itore mine, it has my input in it.
The bird went to the lads at work, they are all game meat mad at the moment!
U.
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11 minutes ago, Alsone said:
Aww c'mon my recommendations are never that extreme Walshie. You know you need a nice mainstream .50 cal to turn them inside out. None of that EU rubbish - we're leaving that behind, it's Brexit you know.
Inches not millimetres as the wife would say!
Underdog, seriously, can't see why not on the HMR if the brass is getting better and it's your choice. I'd also suggest .17 hornet, but only really for fox. Far too powerful and expensive for rabbits unless taking them at extreme long range ie 250-400yds in small numbers. Even if you reload, large bags are going to keep you up all night reloading which leads to more bags but this time under your eyes... you get the idea. Give the eyes a rest and get the HMR. You know you want to.....
I like.....err, my friend likes your reasoning Howsoon but no.
I been, well....my friend has been catching mice lately and they are getting bigger for certain (or was I wearing my reading glasses!), maybe the WMR will cope better should we get a band of marauding super mice!
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Thanks feller's.
I've told him there are better things to be thinking about!
U.
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2 hours ago, walshie said:
Sounds like your mental aberration was just a passing thing. Good to see you back to normal mate.
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2 hours ago, toxo said:
If your friend doesn't mind reloading Nathan (which many enjoy as part of the hobby) The 17 Hornet (centerfire) is a much more versatile round than the hmr and cheaper too. Better yet for the kind of shooting you sorry, your friend does, the 17 Squirrel. Even more versatile. Bit of a faff getting it all together but once you get going, very cheap and effective.
Don't be put off by the case forming. The cases once formed last forever.
15 center fires have passed through my hands and I reloaded for them all.
I ain't doing that again just yet, maybe never.
If I was to go with anything hornet in its name it would be 22 hornet.
I use to wind it up to its limits. Load it down to WMR levels and sometimes run it on shotgun powders!
Been there, got the t-shirt bud.
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2 hours ago, walshie said:
Tell your friend to give his head a shake and tell him it was a terrible idea.
Cue Alsone to tell your friend that a 9.3 x 74R would be preferable.
now that's the best advice I have heard all day
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8 minutes ago, Meece said:
Everyone is saying about how a mod is needed. Ok a mod will reduce the muzzle blast but there is no mod on this planet that wiĺ suppress the crack of a bullet travelling supersonic.
Unless it is just rabbit clearace or dog food, does you friend really want rabbits that look like and are like road kill mince? And the ammo is very variable with split necks, soft rounds, crackers, misfires and ejection problems. It depends on how accurate the shooter is and the lay of the land ect.
No sir, my friend don't want minced rabbits but I, err, he shoots them in the head any hoo.
I think he is going off the idea already!
U
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59 minutes ago, Stavross said:
I’ve shot rabbits with mine well over 150 yards, on windy days I stay under 100 if the winds strong I don’t bother, I had a round get stuck in one of mine but we put that down to a faulty round rather than a dirty barrel, ( they seem to have sorted the split neck fault now ) saying that it is a mucky little round, you will definitely need a mod, the muzzle crack is quite loud and as gav said they do 20’s but I’ve only ever used 17’s, if I was given the choice between owning a .22lr or the 17hmr I would go for the lr, if I could have both I would, I hope some of this helps your mate come to the right decision
So you reckon my friend should keep his 22?
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17hmr.
If someone I know swapped his LR for one how far on calm day could he shoot at crows and magpies?
How far on a windy day?
Do the barrels get fouled easily?
Would I ......he need a mod?
What's the heaviest bullet they do?
I'll pass on what you say
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Had a day off today and used both my springers. A Chinese underlever thingy, all £69 worth of it mildly tuned and a trigger job and my little 99s.
Made a cracking shot on a 45yarder crow. Plum in the back of the head!
The 99s loves these jsb 16grn pellets.
The pellet was in the crows brain so I dug it out! Look how little rifling marks there is but they really want to stack themselves on top of each other!
The Chinese thingy although low power is amazingly accurate with a good selection of pellets.
I used up my last 17 Superdomes plinking and then went hunting which resulted in a cock pheasant.
I was able to ambush it as it worked it's way towards us down a tree line. There was some hens with it and in the last seconds they did make me.
Their squeaks made the cock stick his head up for me.
On the shot all commotion broke out birds going all directions but my bird was flopping about the pellet having passed through its head.
Distance was under ten yards. Open sights.
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32 minutes ago, toxo said:
Would that charity be your stomach Nathan?
Cheeky....
Got to giggle.
in Cooking On The Wild Side
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I don't visit here often but the timing was just right.
Some of my neighbors are having a friendly clay shoot outside.
Actually it's quite nice to hear but it started just as I got the pressure cooker out to cook some pheasant.
I chuckled to my self, ok, in a snobbish way, how they can't eat their clay birds and here I was cooking my real birds!
Joking aside, I am actually very blessed so should not gloat at all! Besides, it might be a charity shoot of which at any moment anyone could be a benefactor including me!!
With hindsight I probably should be saluting them and it was nice to listen to all the same.
I fixed the pheasant meat and browned it in some olive oil.
Added black pepper.
A chopped red onion.
Frying over in went some diced potatoes. Two yellow peppers, three large tomatoes. Chicken stock cube and tomatoes purée and some Chile flakes, oh yes, some thyme.
Added some water and let the pressure cooker cook for 30mins. About three table spoons of corn flour to thicken after cooking.
Bloody bootifull.
U.