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Poll: Working lurcher Organisation - Countryside Alliance. (104 member(s) have cast votes)

With the recent rumbles regarding a amendment. Do lurcher men want & club that is willing to promote legitimate lurcher work , communicate their concerns at a higher level and a platform to share knowledge,experience & field trials etc.

  1. Yes - I think thats something we are missing. (82 votes [78.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 78.85%

  2. I am not sure but, If i seen some action, id like to participate. (13 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  3. I am not interested. (9 votes [8.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.65%

Would You Join the CA "If " lurcher work was seen to be a concern of theirs?

  1. I already am a member. (15 votes [14.42%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.42%

  2. Id join "IF" they were seen to be working, to protect & promote legitimate lurcher work. (76 votes [73.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.08%

  3. I am not interested . (4 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  4. No . Id not even give them Ten pence. (9 votes [8.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.65%

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#16 sandymere

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 09:41 am

If one considers all the lurcher shows up and down the country, other than the hunt shows, how many could be run in aid of a “Working Lurcher Club of Great Britain”? Then there’s members on forums etc who could join for a small fee. Then as a club a decent web site and facebook that holds larger events in aid of good charities, to help things like Children’s Hospices etc  thereby gaining some really good publicity for the club. Good articles of how lurcher work should be done, write ups of dog saved from death row that went on to have a good working life and well-earned retirement etc. A running total of monies raised for charity and work it funded Then it could be used as a voice for lurcher work and a link that could be posted whenever lurcher work was mentioned, especially in a negative light, with an eye to get it up the top of the search result to bring some positive publicity in an increasingly negatively perceived area. In this modern world it’s all about publicity and perception one needs to publicise the right perception.


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 09:46 am

there's a lot of well respected blokes on here that could make this work and plenty like me who would follow that lead and stump up for membership. you lot need to get talking and sort something out.  :thumbs: Has to be good for all concerned.


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 09:48 am

there must be room on THL for a sub forum to use as a base. membership for access, members by recommendation, etc etc


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 09:49 am

Giro, as I said ages ago, that was just an amendment NOT a repeal. We only have one go at a repeal, so we'd better make sure we'd win it. otherwise there is no point.  People started getting confused with the amendment and a repeal, but they are two entirely different motions.

 

The CA does support lurchers. But if anyone thinks they can wave a magic wand and overturn the ban they are deluded. It's a long and rocky uphill road. The only things that will help lurcherwork are unity and money.



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Posted 02 September 2015 - 09:52 am

If one considers all the lurcher shows up and down the country, other than the hunt shows, how many could be run in aid of a “Working Lurcher Club of Great Britain”? Then there’s members on forums etc who could join for a small fee. Then as a club a decent web site and facebook that holds larger events in aid of good charities, to help things like Children’s Hospices etc  thereby gaining some really good publicity for the club. Good articles of how lurcher work should be done, write ups of dog saved from death row that went on to have a good working life and well-earned retirement etc. A running total of monies raised for charity and work it funded Then it could be used as a voice for lurcher work and a link that could be posted whenever lurcher work was mentioned, especially in a negative light, with an eye to get it up the top of the search result to bring some positive publicity in an increasingly negatively perceived area. In this modern world it’s all about publicity and perception one needs to publicise the right perception.

It's a great idea Sandymere and alot of that already goes on...BUT it won't make a scrap of difference. The only thing that will ever make a difference is the votes/opinions of the politicians.... but that's JHMO. :victory:


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 09:52 am

I would be happy to help any of the "old farts"  :laugh:  who know what their doing in any way i can, it would be a learning experience in itself. To show lurcher & terrier work in a true light, the lads that live for the work and not just the thrill of a kill, IMO it is a must we that we dont hide anymore and stand up and shout with good publicity not arrogance, the CA and others will only listen if we have a voice, if that's a club so be it, maybe someone with some clout can email Tim Bonner and ask exactly why Lurchers &Terriers are being cast out from  their campaigns? You can say what you want but its clear the CA is focused on mounted hunting to fox rather than hunting with dogs in general.

 

I've been on this site a good few years and theirs clearly some of the older chaps with the experience and the care for the future of this way of life to help with a push for a voice before its too late.


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 09:58 am

I would be happy to help any of the "old farts"  :laugh:  who know what their doing in any way i can, it would be a learning experience in itself. To show lurcher & terrier work in a true light, the lads that live for the work and not just the thrill of a kill, IMO it is a must we that we dont hide anymore and stand up and shout with good publicity not arrogance, the CA and others will only listen if we have a voice, if that's a club so be it, maybe someone with some clout can email Tim Bonner and ask exactly why Lurchers &Terriers are being cast out from  their campaigns? You can say what you want but its clear the CA is focused on mounted hunting to fox rather than hunting with dogs in general.

 

I've been on this site a good few years and theirs clearly some of the older chaps with the experience and the care for the future of this way of life to help with a push for a voice before its too late.

Maybe the CA focuses the mag and suchlike on the people who are in the CA. It's hardly going to fill the mag and website with lurchers when there are practically no lurcher owners in it.....

Get 500 lurcher owners to join up and i can guarantee there'd be more pics and articles for them.

 

There's many thousands of lurcher owners out there.....but I bet you'd never even manage to recruit 100...no 50 even.....too many want a free ride....

 

We will go round in circles until it's too late.....sadly. :cray:



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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:06 am

Politicians appear to be influenced by three things one is self promotion . secondly greed and thirdly public publicity . if the working dogs corner becomes vocal enough with the right publicity , campaign and numerical strength then it will pay dividends. Anything that comes easy isnt usually worth having so now whos up for the struggle relying on the national associations does not seem to be fitting the demands of the ordinary bloke whose voice appears to be ignored by the politicians and the country sports representative organisations, if I am mistaken some one show me where.


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:07 am

i'd rather stick my money and support with a working lurcher club that was affiliated to CA rather than just hope they would promote us. Unity has to be the key.

And i think folk would join a specific club / organisation.

The hunts survive because they are integrated in countryside communities. They control vermin and fallen stock feed the hounds at a much reduced cost to the hide and skin merchants. They stick together and survive / thrive. 

We need to adopt the same principles. What we do for farmers is also appreciated and could be utilised in the same way .


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:09 am


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Giro, as I said ages ago, that was just an amendment NOT a repeal. We only have one go at a repeal, so we'd better make sure we'd win it. otherwise there is no point.  People started getting confused with the amendment and a repeal, but they are two entirely different motions.
 
The CA does support lurchers. But if anyone thinks they can wave a magic wand and overturn the ban they are deluded. It's a long and rocky uphill road. The only things that will help lurcherwork are unity and money.
With due respect mate. I know the difference between a admednent & repeal..

I'd like to see both..

I know one will be easier to tackle again though a difficult task.

I'd like to see this support of lurcher work then mate..

I'm like Rob Id like something.

I am not the man for the job.

I have no knowledge or experience of public speaking .

I don't have all the answers.

It would seem I have shared interest,as do many others in achieving something for our sport.

Unity and finicances will certainly strengthen the mix..

Who do I join and where do I place my hard earned cash ??

Edited by Giro, 02 September 2015 - 10:12 am.

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:15 am

 

 

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Giro, as I said ages ago, that was just an amendment NOT a repeal. We only have one go at a repeal, so we'd better make sure we'd win it. otherwise there is no point.  People started getting confused with the amendment and a repeal, but they are two entirely different motions.
 
The CA does support lurchers. But if anyone thinks they can wave a magic wand and overturn the ban they are deluded. It's a long and rocky uphill road. The only things that will help lurcherwork are unity and money.
With due respect mate. I know the difference between a admednent & repeal..

I'd like to see both..

I know one will be easier to tackle again though a difficult task.

I'd like to see this support of lurcher work then mate..

I'm like Rob Id like something.

I am not the man for the job.

I have no knowledge or experience of public speaking .

I don't have all the answers.

It would seem I have shared interest,as do many others in achieving something for our sport.

Unity and finicances will certainly strengthen the mix..

Who do I join and where do I place my hard earned cash ??

 

there's been 20 odd voters on this poll with a very similar theme. wanting the promotion of our interests but probably not wanting to trust the CA with our money. so who do we give our money to ? A working lurcher club with thousands of members will have more clout with big organisations in terms of forcing publicity than individuals joining an organisation with mixed interests.

FFS we have to do this


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:19 am

can someone get a post / poll put up asking members on here directly if they would join and pay to join a working lurcher club to promote our interests. it would have to be worded properly though along the lines of Sandymere's comments above and other stuff ? and make it a sticky !!



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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:23 am

 

Giro, as I said ages ago, that was just an amendment NOT a repeal. We only have one go at a repeal, so we'd better make sure we'd win it. otherwise there is no point.  People started getting confused with the amendment and a repeal, but they are two entirely different motions.

 

The CA does support lurchers. But if anyone thinks they can wave a magic wand and overturn the ban they are deluded. It's a long and rocky uphill road. The only things that will help lurcherwork are unity and money.

 

 

 

 

If one considers all the lurcher shows up and down the country, other than the hunt shows, how many could be run in aid of a “Working Lurcher Club of Great Britain”? Then there’s members on forums etc who could join for a small fee. Then as a club a decent web site and facebook that holds larger events in aid of good charities, to help things like Children’s Hospices etc  thereby gaining some really good publicity for the club. Good articles of how lurcher work should be done, write ups of dog saved from death row that went on to have a good working life and well-earned retirement etc. A running total of monies raised for charity and work it funded Then it could be used as a voice for lurcher work and a link that could be posted whenever lurcher work was mentioned, especially in a negative light, with an eye to get it up the top of the search result to bring some positive publicity in an increasingly negatively perceived area. In this modern world it’s all about publicity and perception one needs to publicise the right perception.

It's a great idea Sandymere and alot of that already goes on...BUT it won't make a scrap of difference. The only thing that will ever make a difference is the votes/opinions of the politicians.... but that's JHMO. :victory:

 

But is it not unity and money that gets politicians attention and votes?

I agree lurcher owners are their own worst enemy but they need to raise their profile, positively, to be part of the discussion or they will be left out of it. So perhaps it’s time to at least attempt a start to that aim.


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:25 am

i look at it like this ,,,, clubs,,,,, hmmmm  , like fox hunting meets and  what was couseing clubs are a big target anti,s like to take down and will not be coming back they way it was,,,,,,,, let them keep biteing the heels on them,,,, whilst the small  time rabbiter s dont get in the public eye,,, 


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:29 am

Lurcher clubs like terrier clubs only if your face fits an your up so an so ass your in our circle rest of us are only ever told what we are wanted to hear negative I know but that's what they all come down to in end an as already been said antis wet dream


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