Tuning my AA S200

[Rake aboot 4,929]

First off let me say again, I'm not looking to tune for power. I just want the thing to perform like it's supposed to. When I joined this forum I didn't even have a chronoscope so had no idea at that time that the thing was under powered. I thought I was joining a group of like minded people who wanted to exchange info and ideas with a view to enjoying the sport even more. Those of you who have come at me (without knowing me) with cynicism and sarcasm have confirmed my belief that you don't really want newbies on here. You're all happy with the little cliques that you've formed over time. Nothing wrong with that of course but it's not for me so I'll bid you all adieu and I'll be off to sort my problem by myself and believe me I will sort it.

 

Give the guy a break ffs he asked a question as a 'newbie' and it was one he prob shouldnt have ie how to tune up a rifle.

Some simple advice would have been a good start but as seems the norm on here as he states ' cynicism and scarcasm have confirmed to me that you dont really want newbies on here.Your all happy with the little cliques that you have formed over time'

 

At least his spelling and grammar is better than a good few!! Now we have lost him!

 

Go back and read the thread bud.

[rossy08 33]

First off let me say again, I'm not looking to tune for power. I just want the thing to perform like it's supposed to. When I joined this forum I didn't even have a chronoscope so had no idea at that time that the thing was under powered. I thought I was joining a group of like minded people who wanted to exchange info and ideas with a view to enjoying the sport even more. Those of you who have come at me (without knowing me) with cynicism and sarcasm have confirmed my belief that you don't really want newbies on here. You're all happy with the little cliques that you've formed over time. Nothing wrong with that of course but it's not for me so I'll bid you all adieu and I'll be off to sort my problem by myself and believe me I will sort it.

 

Give the guy a break ffs he asked a question as a 'newbie' and it was one he prob shouldnt have ie how to tune up a rifle.

Some simple advice would have been a good start but as seems the norm on here as he states ' cynicism and scarcasm have confirmed to me that you dont really want newbies on here.Your all happy with the little cliques that you have formed over time'

 

At least his spelling and grammar is better than a good few!! Now we have lost him!

 

Go back and read the thread bud.

 

i aggree with Rake About.

 

hear i'll help a little

 

I have to admit I don't know the answer to that one Buster. You'll have to tell us.

 

If it was aimed at me I have to wonder if you read the original problem at all. I certainly don't want to ruin my rifle. I've only just bought the thing and if it was putting out 11.5ftlb's instead of 9.4ftlb's I wouldn't have touched it. And where did Heath Robinson come from? We're talking about a spring that slightly stronger than the original for God's sake. And this from a man who earns a living selling AA spares because the originals are so good.

 

Could you be slightly more constructive please Buster? Thanks.

 

my spelling and grammor may be poor, but i wouldent dream of this being one of my first repiles, to me its just rude.

 

now it may have started on the wrong foot,but myself and most will be more than happy to have forgot about this in no time. we all have a bad post or two now and again.

 

NON of us are perfect, i for one am not.

 

Andy

[markha 99]

Archie, it seems that everyone in your world lives happily ever after, especially he who come home to the person in your forum pic :)UNless that is if its a 'he'.

 

I wont' reply to with what just jumped into my mind when I read that

 

That's probably for the best my friend..

 

 

?? Im lost lads, your comments have gone right over my head! Perhaps your dirty minds see it another way My post meant that - if that pic is of Archies missus then no wonder its all happy times in Archie-land, unless of course that pic is of a ladyboy (sorry-transgender) in which case thats not my idea of happy-land, or I spose the pic could even be of Archie him/herself?

[markha 99]

Right back on track with this thread Toxo.

 

If your new and first posts are about tuning, then usually we al decide to either, not reply or remind you about posting guidelines.

 

Now its a shame that you got a bit uptight and also a shame that you got shot down ( i hastend to add you didnt get shot down in flame liek some other have in the past - collie).

 

Basically my advice would be to take your gun back to the shop and get them to sort it out. However you bought a tuning dvd off ebay? and one can only assume( yes i know assumption is the mother of all...) that you wanted more power and hence do something illegal> Now we have all probably done something illegal in the past, but having an air rifle over 12ftlbs is not the best thing going (unless you have FAC) in this day and age, where the whole licensing structure is under review and the anti-gun mob are building up a head of steam.

 

Now a lot of tuning idiots who just want to take their air rifles over the legal limit are too small minded to see what effect this can have on the UK gun laws, I have a shotgun license and want to keep renewing it without having more hoops to jump through, and also as Im in the process of FAC application Im even more intolerant of those who put the gun laws in jepardy, as are most of the members on THL.

 

Thast why we dont answer questions about tuning on an open forum.

Thast why its much better to read a lot of the psots on here and see who it is you may be able to send a private message to for direct, discreet help, And if it turns out you have a genuine problem you will get all the help ypou need, but if its just about tuning above 12ftlbs you may well not get an answer to your question.

 

Sorry for the long winded post, but thats how I see it mate.

 

 

It is a very good bunch one here and all are here to help, with lots of members sharing shooting together and also the airgun section meets through the year.

[toxo 160]

I've found enough good people on here to not cut off my nose to spite my face.

To those who tried to help including those who PM'd me with practical constructive advice, I thank you again. My gun is again performing as it should with all original parts intact (with the exception of one seal and I'm not sure if that was failing).

 

As for this thread, I have to say I was disappointed. I asked for help and I got philosophy (Buster's brand) and I still can't see why I was jumped on for taking umbrage at someone who twisted my original post to promote his own views. If someone can show me anything in Buster's original reply that is any way constructive, practical or helpful to a complete novice who is asking for help I'll apologise.

[Karpman 44]

Dont waste money on `Performance Parts ` use the originals . Air Arms have spent years and many thousands of pounds making sure their products run at their best with the parts they use . Why ruin a perfectly designed rifle with ` Heath Robinson ` ideas ?

 

Seems like sound advice to me, Maybe he don't come across to well. But the advice there was sound enough.

 

After market goods can be a dodgy gray area in replacement parts from cars to guns to hoovers.

 

Karpman

[ArchieHood 3,692]

Dont waste money on `Performance Parts ` use the originals . Air Arms have spent years and many thousands of pounds making sure their products run at their best with the parts they use . Why ruin a perfectly designed rifle with ` Heath Robinson ` ideas ?

 

Seems like sound advice to me, Maybe he don't come across to well. But the advice there was sound enough.

 

After market goods can be a dodgy gray area in replacement parts from cars to guns to hoovers.

 

Karpman

 

Apology pending.?

[toxo 160]

Dont waste money on `Performance Parts ` use the originals . Air Arms have spent years and many thousands of pounds making sure their products run at their best with the parts they use . Why ruin a perfectly designed rifle with ` Heath Robinson ` ideas ?

 

Seems like sound advice to me, Maybe he don't come across to well. But the advice there was sound enough.

 

After market goods can be a dodgy gray area in replacement parts from cars to guns to hoovers.

 

Karpman

 

Apology pending.?

 

You might see it as sound advice Karpman but then you're not a newbie are you and where does it help with the original question?

 

Come on guys, this is just like someone who sells Ford parts telling you not to fit after market parts to your ford.

 

Ha Ha!.. No deal Archie. Not yet anyway. Still need convincing

[Karpman 44]

Hi all.

 

Been trying to tune my s200 which was woefully under powered. Have two "performance springs" one stronger than the other and both are stronger than the orginal. I've tried both the stronger ones and each time I've fiddled eith the exhaust port screw and I'm getting some weird results. When I fire the gun the ftlb's goes down too much. As an example the last session went like this.

Started with a new fill to 180bar

Fitted the strongest spring with the result of 16ish ftlb's. Within about six more shots \i was well below 11ftlb's.

I only want 11.5 but I can't start adjusting until I get a stable reading. I know I'm losing some pressure each time the gun is fired but not that much surely?

I'm thinking that maybe the strongest spring is using more air per shot and maybe I need to use the weakest that will get the job done. I'm thinking also that something might be leaking. What are your views guys?

 

Paul

 

His view was of course you do away with the stronger after market springs and fit a original Air arms one, Hoping this may solve your consistency issues. Which if I'm not mistaken seems as to what you did? You fit the original part and done away with the aftermarket stuff?

 

I'm not here to tittle tattle, Just answer your questions with my best possible answer.

I am very much a newb and would rather not be popping springs out my S200 at all to be honest.

 

Cheers

Karpman

[Buster321c 1,010]

Right ,

 

 

Firstly I DONT SELL ANY PARTS

 

I simply promote a friend who specialises in Air Arms Guns ( as well as other makes , FAC , Shotguns , Whatever you like ) , and as point of fact , he is well known and respected by many members of this section .

 

I have nothing to gain and see no gain from it IN ANY WAY

 

All i offer is advise , and help , where i can . If you chose to fit incorrect parts to your rifle , your loss !

 

And if you think you might benefit by trying to `tarnish my reputation ` , do you really think im bothered ? Ive been on this forum for years mate , and i know enough about what i do not to have to ask for any help , but if i did , the first thing i would do is listen .

 

If you wish to take this further , do it via PM instead on bumpimg the thread with a stupid remarks .

 

Buster ,

 

the non profit making air arms help desk ,

any related question will be answered ,

weather you like the answer or not .

 

Edited February 26, 2011 by Buster321c

[toxo 160]

His view was of course you do away with the stronger after market springs and fit a original Air arms one, Hoping this may solve your consistency issues. Which if I'm not mistaken seems as to what you did? You fit the original part and done away with the aftermarket stuff?

Cheers

Karpman

Yes, I'm aware of what he meant. My argument is that he said nothing to help me. I bought the "tuning kit" in the hope that it would come with instructions that would help solve the problem. Needless to say it didn't which is why I asked here. After being PM'd with some good advice the original spring was replaced, one iffy seal was replaced and (what I believe to be the culprit) dodgy oil/grease was removed and all's right with the world. As I repeatedly said, I never was "tuning for power". I just wanted some simple advice to help solve a problem. What I got was philosophy. Christ, I could probably sell him some of that.

Thanks Karpman for at least looking at it logically.

[Buster321c 1,010]

Why ruin a perfectly designed rifle with ` Heath Robinson ` ideas ?

 

I have to admit I don't know the answer to that one Buster. You'll have to tell us.

 

If it was aimed at me I have to wonder if you read the original problem at all. I certainly don't want to ruin my rifle. I've only just bought the thing and if it was putting out 11.5ftlb's instead of 9.4ftlb's I wouldn't have touched it. And where did Heath Robinson come from? We're talking about a spring that slightly stronger than the original for God's sake. And this from a man who earns a living selling AA spares because the originals are so good.

 

Could you be slightly more constructive please Buster? Thanks.

 

In fact , i wont waste my time as you obviously have more knowledge than me about this , which is why you have done the obvious things like insepct all seals , and check for leaks , check the rail and hammer , but hey , what do i know ................

 

Buster the feebleminded .......

 

 

Perhaps the reason its low is a seal gone / going ?

Thanks for that Buster. I did suspect a seal. Ordered a set yesterday.

 

 

 

Getting boring now .............

[Malt 379]

There's none so deaf as those who won't listen Buster...

[Buster321c 1,010]

There's none so deaf as those who won't listen Buster...

 

 

Trust your well mate , im sure your well settled now enjoying the new place ? Must admit i love it down there , as you know

[Malt 379]

There's none so deaf as those who won't listen Buster...

 

 

Trust your well mate , im sure your well settled now enjoying the new place ? Must admit i love it down there , as you know

 

We're good thanks mate, and all settled in. Hope all's well with you? Drop me a line if you're ever down this way again, I'll meet you somewhere for a swift half!