on telly now.

[littletimmy 71]

My favourite was the ridgeback breeder when asked how many leopards lived in High Wycombe said she wished more did to kill the Muntjacs that ate her flowers now that fecker shows what in breeding can do

 

 

Same woman would be discraced if she saw you running your dog on one.

[bird 10,014]

is anyone watching this pleased my dogs a mongrel

 

 

Same here, a lurcher of any x as got to be 100 times better than any ped dog.

 

BIRD

[speedlamper 0]

did anyone catch that campaigners name? she must have a site or somewhere to show support for her work

[shepp 2,285]

My mate was talking to a dog breeder who had dachshounds, and he asked if she showed the bitch who was with her?

She replied, 'no she's far too nervous, i just keep her for breeding'

[skycat 6,174]

My mate was talking to a dog breeder who had dachshounds, and he asked if she showed the bitch who was with her?

She replied, 'no she's far too nervous, i just keep her for breeding'

 

 

Says it all! I've had very little to do with pedigree dog breeders, but I am sad to say that many of the ones I have met seem totally unconcerned about their dogs' welfare as long as they are winning in the ring and churning out pups for ridiculous prices.

 

Just imagine if us lurcher and working terrier people bred from something that had fits, a brain problem like those Cavaliers, or a dog which could barely walk, like those Shepherds! Defies belief!

 

For f*ck's sake, even breeding from a lurcher which opens up or isn't committed to its job would be downright daft, though I must admit that there are lurchers being bred which will never work yet win in the show ring: maybe in years to come lurchers will go down the same route as working and show Border Collies, Labs, Greyhounds etc. Two distinct types would emerge, though not in my life time I'm glad to say.

 

What eally got me is that the KC have been bleating on for ever that they are not the ones at fault and they only do what the breeder/showers want: what a load of b*llocks! If they wanted to they could change everything in a second: making it compulsory for all pedigree dogs to undergo health and fitness for original function tests before they could ever be shown or bred from: the only thing stopping them is that they are all so blind and thick and so far up their own backsides that they simply don't care about the ultimate welfare of a breed, or that of an individual dog.

 

And as for those breeders who were knowingly breeding from those Cavs, knowing that they would suffer terrible pain, well, they should be banned for keeping animals forever.

 

The bit where they said that the Pug has a smaller gene pool than the Giant Panda did it for me! Thank God for lurchers and working terriers: hold our heads up and know that we are doing everything we can to improve our animals.

 

Rant over: thank God for that programme: not often I say that about the Beeb, but at least hopefully Joe Public will think before they buy into a lifetime of pain and misery, not to mention the second and third mortgages they'll need to keep little Fido alive on all manner of drugs.

[Guest ESS]

is anyone watching this pleased my dogs a mongrel

 

 

Same here, a lurcher of any x as got to be 100 times better than any ped dog.

 

BIRD

 

 

Do you class the working Springer or Cocker in that statement ?

[Malt 379]

Good to see that doc on bbc last night. Lets hope they dont support the freak show by televising crufts best in breeds again next year.

 

Even if these pedigrees are bred just for appearance, how do these people convince themself that these mutants are attractive.

In my eyes a beautiful dog is one that is healthy, agile and able to act like a dawg.

 

Ive always thought these labradoodles, and cockernumpties were a bit of a joke, but maybe its a good thing that people are starting to want these type of crosses, instead of going for the 'desirable' disabilities of pedigree show dogs.

Shame about the fooking prices they're asking for them though!

[dustyfox 0]

I watched it on iplayer and I am disgraced at the way the KC have acted. Why would you breed a dog that you know is going to pass on its genetic diseases and disorders to there offspring? I mean you have to automatically cull a ridgeback because it ain't got the ridge, instead you have to keep the mutant version

 

Its plane wrong.

 

But you cant blame everyone one who breeds pedigree's. I got my dog from a responsible breeder who went out the way to bring in a different strain different blood in the area. He made sure the hips was good and my dogs dad has 0/0 and his mother had 3/2. When I went to pick the puppy he shown me all the things I should look for eyes, mouth weight etc.

 

I have even seen my dogs grandmother and great grandmother she is now nearly 15 on his mothers side.

 

We shooters don't like to be put in the same boat as these townies that make gun crime, so don't put the responsible dog breeders who go out of there way to make sure that the puppies are healthy and fit for there job to these show breeders who don't give a shit whether the dog is in pain or suffering as long as they get fame and money from breeding them.

 

There should be new management at the KC and a new policy, I found it disgusting that the chairman found some bits funny about it. Disgrace I am well ashamed to have my dog KC registered.

 

Is there any other club out there that I can join that is more realistic? where the dog is judged on its working capabilities, temperament etc?

 

I could go on forever about this because of that show, seeing those dogs in pain. I personally want to smack some of those breeders especially that blond woman who's dog won the show near the end she denied that it had a disorder when it was clear that it did.

 

Df

[BlueCoyote 0]

in the other forum i said :"

 

well the majority of you know how i feel about this... so i'll just say "ITS ABOUT TIME!"

 

.. if you didnt or couldnt watch the show you probably saved yourself some tears of grief for the suffering these highly prized purebreds go through....

 

i am an advocate for outcrossing RESPONSIBLY.. and i believe in the working dog... not the exclusively bred show dog.

"

 

to which someone said replied: "well, what work is a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel SUPPOSED to do? Looking beautiful really IS their breed purpose. (And has been since their inception- the breed was created in response to a challenge to recreate the English toy spaniels from a previous era as pictured in various paintings.) Obedience? Sure, but the way the British obedience trials are structured, you'd need to totally change the Cav's temperament to make it competitive. Agility? They're not SUPPOSED to be speed demons. Therapy work? Sure, they're naturals, but it doesn't really require anything in the way of physical soundness."

[BlueCoyote 0]

in the other forum i said :"

 

well the majority of you know how i feel about this... so i'll just say "ITS ABOUT TIME!"

 

.. if you didnt or couldnt watch the show you probably saved yourself some tears of grief for the suffering these highly prized purebreds go through....

 

i am an advocate for outcrossing RESPONSIBLY.. and i believe in the working dog... not the exclusively bred show dog.

"

 

to which someone said replied: "well, what work is a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel SUPPOSED to do? Looking beautiful really IS their breed purpose. (And has been since their inception- the breed was created in response to a challenge to recreate the English toy spaniels from a previous era as pictured in various paintings.) Obedience? Sure, but the way the British obedience trials are structured, you'd need to totally change the Cav's temperament to make it competitive. Agility? They're not SUPPOSED to be speed demons. Therapy work? Sure, they're naturals, but it doesn't really require anything in the way of physical soundness."

 

Even if a dogs sole purpose is keeping an old granny company, surely its physical soundess is at least as important as its looks. What dog owner wants to see their animal suffering?

 

These people have lost it

 

thats what i am saying in my next reply.....

 

"yes that spaniel looked beautiful writhing around on the floor.... i'm sure he'd make an ideal therapy dog. he only has to lie there and be petted.

if the dog is just going to lie there like a stuffed animal to be petted then why not use a stuffed animal instead of breeding a dog to suffer with that sort of sickly life? i dont think thats very pretty.... and the breeds purpose for creation makes me sick too.

So they are designer dogs... old world designer dogs? but because they have a historical origin they deserve to be bred and shown? and ruined?

 

i see a double standard with breeders getting angry at "designer dog breeders" but then they think its perfectly fine to have Dobermans, Irish Wolfhounds(great dane, scottish deerhound and small amount of the original dog), English Bulldogs(strong pug mixture) and Borzois(sight hounds and collie mixes.. the same thing they hunt with today in the UK)

 

i feel that with toy breeds if the only thing that matters is being beautiful then i see absolutely no problem with outcrossing to improve health.

 

the other problem i see that most breeders have with outcrossing is its too much work..... yeah you have to actually wait till the pup is older to see what traits he inherited.. you cant just assume from the moment of conception that.. while his stifle might be wrong, or his coat not plush enough, he'll still look 98% like a pure bred... he'll just be "pet quality".... people are in too big of a hurry to breed that ribbon winner... they dont want to wait for the quality because the majority dont work their dogs... they just show them.. and heaven forbid they should have to actually CULL any of the non-show dogs.... "

 

...i havent sent it yet.... i'm still thinking what else to add....

[BlueCoyote 0]

i used to be in love with the wolfhounds. i wanted to have one of my own, and i did a LOT of research on them, and the more i learned the more i got depressed over the fact that i would finally get the dog i always wanted only to have it die painfully within the next few years. i've had pet hamster once when i was a kid.. about a three year lifespan.... which i noticed isnt too different from a wolfhound. i dont own hamsters anymore, and will probably never have the hound either because they die as soon as you get emotionally attached to them!

 

i understand death is inevitable.. everyone has to go through it.. but when the odds are so high that the death will likely be from bone cancer, back problems, hip problems and that even if they dont die, they'll suffer the rest of their days? no...... i cant contribute to it.

 

i think right now i would also settle for a wolfhound cross - IF i could even find one! - or even a dog that looks like a wolfhound..

[woodchip 2]

BUT DID ANYONE NOTICE THE OLD COWS ALL LOOKED THE SAME PERHAPS THERE ALL AT IT TOO AND THEY THINK ITS OK FOR A FATHER TO MATE HIS DAUGHTER .

THESE PEOPLE WILL END THE PEDIGREE DOGS AND IT WILL BE US WITH OUR LURCHERS WHO WILL BE LEFT THEN THERE PROBABLY TURN THERE ATTENTION TO US .

THE PROBLEM WILL BE THAT THERES SO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED THE GOVERNMENT PROBABLY WONT DO A THING .

[BlueCoyote 0]

BUT DID ANYONE NOTICE THE OLD COWS ALL LOOKED THE SAME PERHAPS THERE ALL AT IT TOO AND THEY THINK ITS OK FOR A FATHER TO MATE HIS DAUGHTER .

THESE PEOPLE WILL END THE PEDIGREE DOGS AND IT WILL BE US WITH OUR LURCHERS WHO WILL BE LEFT THEN THERE PROBABLY TURN THERE ATTENTION TO US .

THE PROBLEM WILL BE THAT THERES SO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED THE GOVERNMENT PROBABLY WONT DO A THING .

 

 

no you have it wrong, thats a fantasy! Over here they are trying to pass laws that prohibit anyone without a license to have ANY intact dog. ANY. doesnt matter if you're a breeder or just dont want to have it cut..... they want these dogs ripped apart before they're reproductively mature to reduce unwanted pets.

But that leaves the door wide open for puppy farmers and KC breeders to have exclusive breeding rights. the old cattle rancher down the road with actual working dogs will be fined for having in a healthy intact working dog... while the puppy miller is churning out sickly pure breds...

 

the only way people can get around it is they pay for the license(dont know what it will cost) or if never take their dog out in public, to the vet, etc.... they'd have to smuggle their working quality puppies around in the backs of vans.. secret meetings in the night..... and thats just the beginning

i'm no breeder but i would be tempted to get the license because, damnit i dont WANT my dogs cut. i can keep them apart, keep them from breeding just fine without the use of surgery. i've done it for years. sure its work..... but having a dog IS work, isnt it?