Israel 1 , Iran 0.

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8 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I don't think there are any Marxists in government mate. Quite honestly that's a bit whacko. But it's a catch all adjective frequently used  by the frustrated right.  If there are any reds under the beds, they ain't doing a very good job at redistributing wealth and making society more equal as Britain is one of the most unequal societies in the developed world.

In fact the  movement  of wealth has been  steadily upwards and is concentrated in  very few hands. The rich have been  getting richer and the poor much poorer. The same is true of taxation. Taxation on the mega wealthy has been as high as 90% per cent and its nothing like that now. Much wealth is lightly taxed and some wealth is not taxed at all. There's a quotation which I am bastardising, but it's something like: the working class pay taxes, the middle class pay accountants and the mega rich pay politicians.

The Greens are running on a ticket of taxing the rich and making society less divided. Its naive pie in the sky, but its appealing to the young of this country.  Many of whom see little future for themselves.

When did actual 'reds' really distribute wealth and make societies more equal . 

 

'the rich get richer and the poor get poorer'

Absolute bullshite

People who have never worked a day routinely suffering from obesity....tvs, holidays, takeaways, mobile phones! The poor of the last five centuries would happily exchange places with them if that's what you call getting poorer! 

The only thing that is getting poorer is our culture, identity and national pride. 

I would class 'the left' as people who place no value on our culture and identity (though they strangely value others). And seek to implement their own warped values and identities on others and seek to do that by spreading chaos and division. 

People whos brains are full of chaos seek to spread chaos to others. People who are full of hate see hate in other. People who have no sense of belonging hate seeing a sense of belonging in others.

 

[WILF 53,575]

19 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I don't think there are any Marxists in government mate. Quite honestly that's a bit whacko. But it's a catch all adjective frequently used  by the frustrated right when they talk about immigration and the EHCR. Whi h in itself has nothing to do with Marx.lol  If there are any reds under the beds, they ain't doing a very good job at redistributing wealth and making society more equal, as Britain is one of the most unequal societies in the developed world.

I’d check these peoples history if I was you mate……

19 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

In fact the  movement  of wealth in the UK has been  steadily upwards and is concentrated in  very few hands. The rich have been  getting richer and the poor much poorer. The same is true of taxation. Taxation on the mega wealthy has been as high as 90% per cent and its nothing like that now. Much wealth is lightly taxed and some wealth is not taxed at all. There's a quotation which I am bastardising, but it's something like: the working class pay taxes, the middle class pay accountants and the mega rich pay politicians.

The Greens are running on a ticket of taxing the rich and making society less divided. Its naive pie in the sky, they underestimate the power of the UK status quo , but its appealing to the young of this country.  Many of whom see little future for themselves.

 

[Bendigo 2,630]

25 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

 

The Greens are running on a ticket of taxing the rich and making society less divided. Its naive pie in the sky, they underestimate the power of the UK status quo , but its appealing to the young of this country.  Many of whom see little future for themselves.

TAX THE RICH

How about asking where the tax everybody is already paying is going to! 

Young people see no future for themselves so vote green......what future do they want from a country that is full of the 3rd world

Can't see a future so let's invite a couple more million aliens into the mix. The political left is a symptom of mental health or a symptom of being young and gullible. 

[jukel123 10,590]

18 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

When did actual 'reds' really distribute wealth and make societies more equal . 

 

'the rich get richer and the poor get poorer'

Absolute bullshite

People who have never worked a day routinely suffering from obesity....tvs, holidays, takeaways, mobile phones! The poor of the last five centuries would happily exchange places with them if that's what you call getting poorer! 

The only thing that is getting poorer is our culture, identity and national pride. 

I would class 'the left' as people who place no value on our culture and identity (though they strangely value others). And seek to implement their own warped values and identities on others and seek to do that by spreading chaos and division. 

People whos brains are full of chaos seek to spread chaos to others. People who are full of hate see hate in other. People who have no sense of belonging hate seeing a sense of belonging in others.

 

 Check the stats about the movement of wealth in this country.

Being left leaning myself I naturally dispute your description of the left. Don't be silly.

 

[Bendigo 2,630]

1 minute ago, jukel123 said:

 Check the stats about the movement of wealth in this country.

Being left leaning myself I naturally dispute your description of the left. Don't be silly.

 

I'm not bothered what 'stats' say.

My dad was born in 1941 to hard working parents. They slept 4 kids to a bed and went stealing food or digging pig nuts to fend off hunger. 

I grew up with a pest controller dad and a care working mum. We never went without but equally never had the things kids do today. 

I do pest control and my wife has always worked in care. My kids have everything they ever wanted. My dad couldn't of taken me fishing the river tay, pheasant shooting or on safari to Africa, but these are all things open to my kids. 

If you live in Britain today you have win the lottery in life. Never in the history of life on this planet has there been so much opportunity for the hard working nor so much luxury and support for the bone idle and stupid. Obviously some slip through that net....and as britains our culture and identity has been destroyed....but there's no need for anyone to struggle in most of Britain. (London may be different but I'm talking about the Britain I know) 

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https://equalitytrust.org.uk/scale-economic-inequality-uk/#:~:text=THE SPIRIT LEVEL,five years before the pandemic.

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I’ve said this before and I will say it again. The modern governments have achieved their goals when everyone blames the other guy. People are divided and spend there time bickering about the stuff that simply wouldn’t matter if governments did their jobs. WILF blames it all on immigrants and so called Marxists. Iworkwhippets blames it all on youngsters on the dole. Today Greyman mentioned the younger generations enjoy take aways and stuff too much. Everyone wants to mention facts but the real facts are the government made a decision that to grow the economy the had to import people to drive it on they also made a decision that they wouldn’t invest in housing, anything they do invest in is the bare minimum always a sticking plaster. As WILF mentioned earlier while we run about blaming each other and argueing about the colour of shit there is a political and billionaire class in the UK who will eat subsidised steak dinners every day for the rest of there lives. Never have to buy a car let alone fill one. Never have to buy a house let alone pay one off. Probably never have to do a weeks shopping because they eat out most days on their expenses. These are the people that eyes should be on. But I suppose it’s easier blame John who’s in the union and votes Labour or Abdul who works 16 hours a day in his shop. I was always told if you want to know who’s f***ing you over don’t look beside you look up. I guess a lot of times people don’t like to actually look up they might not like what they see. Trump and Farage the great hope of the working man Jesus wept

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1 hour ago, Halfhound said:

I’ve said this before and I will say it again. The modern governments have achieved their goals when everyone blames the other guy. People are divided and spend there time bickering about the stuff that simply wouldn’t matter if governments did their jobs. WILF blames it all on immigrants and so called Marxists. Iworkwhippets blames it all on youngsters on the dole. Today Greyman mentioned the younger generations enjoy take aways and stuff too much. Everyone wants to mention facts but the real facts are the government made a decision that to grow the economy the had to import people to drive it on they also made a decision that they wouldn’t invest in housing, anything they do invest in is the bare minimum always a sticking plaster. As WILF mentioned earlier while we run about blaming each other and argueing about the colour of shit there is a political and billionaire class in the UK who will eat subsidised steak dinners every day for the rest of there lives. Never have to buy a car let alone fill one. Never have to buy a house let alone pay one off. Probably never have to do a weeks shopping because they eat out most days on their expenses. These are the people that eyes should be on. But I suppose it’s easier blame John who’s in the union and votes Labour or Abdul who works 16 hours a day in his shop. I was always told if you want to know who’s f***ing you over don’t look beside you look up. I guess a lot of times people don’t like to actually look up they might not like what they see. Trump and Farage the great hope of the working man Jesus wept

Well said mate. The relative poor always blame the very poor for their condition.

And the right always blame immigrants and not the politicians who decided to pursue a policy of cheap labour and who  encouraged mass immigration as a mechanism to depress wages.

The right must realise that if Reform are elected, there will be more flags flown, they might throw a few illegal immigrants out and receive a huge round of applause. But most immigrants and their families will remain. Then what? Internment on the basis of skin colour? Camps that will set people free?

Our public services have been starved of investment so that we now have sub standard nurseries, schools, health services, dentistry provision, roads which are falling apart and a huge crisis in housing. What's Reform's plan for them?

Who's side are they really on. Us? Hardly. They are a status quo party. Money from the rich is being poured into the party. Tice himself is extremely rich. Do you think hes in politics to improve our lot? It will be more of the same. And maybe worse.

Farage and Trump are scheisters who serve the rich. Don't expect them to improve your life one bit.

Orban promised this that and the other, but  did not raise his people's standard of living . Which is why he was booted out. You can't live on nationalism and flag flying.

Has Trump made America great again? Not according to the American people . He is polling at negative rates barely seen for an American president with 'affordability' top of the list of Americans' dissatisfaction. Billionaire Trump famously does not pay tax. Do you think he cares about affordability?

History will see populism as a tragic failure and Trump as a monster in every sense of the term.

Farage is nothing but an opportunistic black shirt. We fought and won the battle of Cable street and a world war against his type.

All he offers is a dead, nostalgic view of the past , much of which never existed in the first place.

Oops, done it now. The hounds will be in full cry after that. God help me.

Edited April 24 by jukel123

[Halfhound 1,439]

Also this is not a dig Bendigo in any way. But to say your kids are living better than you did because you can cart them off to Africa for a holiday or go fishing on a certain river is a load of old bollocks. Yes you might have a few bob to treat them to these things but they will eventually fly the nest and this is where it comes into play. They’ll probably struggle more than you did to buy a home. They’ll probably struggle to be seen by a doctor far more at 30 than you did at 30. And they’ll probably pay more tax by the time they are 30 than you did at that age. A few bob to go on holidays does not equal being able to live well. 

[WILF 53,575]

37 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

https://equalitytrust.org.uk/scale-economic-inequality-uk/#:~:text=THE SPIRIT LEVEL,five years before the pandemic.

What’s your definition of equality ?……like, there will always be millionaires and there will always be poverty.

So to me, equality means just that, everyone should have exactly the same chance and the same rules and those rules should be a bare minimum !

That way, everyone is on a level playing field.

So, the state should always be looking to reduce itself not get bigger.

Tax rates should be a flat rate for everyone, 10% is plenty !

Politicians should govern in the interest of the people, the people are the nation….blood and soil !

Predatory capitalism that looks to prey on the people of a nation should be taxed so heavily they don’t want to be here !

The mortgage and credit industry has been allowed to totally f**k people over and the pet politicians have used the tax system to force people into their arms ! 
Amazon should be made to f**k off, they have killed high streets and the government have helped them by taxing small business out of existence, it’s a loaded game that contributes nothing to our wider society and just provides minimum wage employment for all the f***ing 3rd world types.

They should all f**k off !

Uber the same !

If it hurts us, financially or socially, we don’t want it !

Proper communities, proper businesses that supply things our own people make and do and they are allowed to keep 90% of what they earn….smaller, wealthier on a local level, safer, friendlier.

All the state should be doing is security (defence and social for those most in need) and infrastructure and domestic policing….the state don’t need to be bigger than that. 
Healthcare means tested, insurance payments tax deductible for those who have to pay.

Social housing instead of letting developers and their predatory mortgage provider banks rape our countryside for profit, planning that stops the big estates and allows local people to build a single dwelling in their own home town or village.

A brutal policy of getting rid of the 3rd world, we are 20 million people over populated and that’s a fact, they have to go….make the space….to live, to work, to preserve, to be kinder, to be a nation and a community that feels like it’s worth striving for a future because it’s worth investing in. 
 

These politicians and banks are preying on us…..suggesting we give any of those c**ts even more money is frankly deluded ! 

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26 minutes ago, WILF said:

What’s your definition of equality ?……like, there will always be millionaires and there will always be poverty.

So to me, equality means just that, everyone should have exactly the same chance and the same rules and those rules should be a bare minimum !

That way, everyone is on a level playing field.

So, the state should always be looking to reduce itself not get bigger.

Tax rates should be a flat rate for everyone, 10% is plenty !

Politicians should govern in the interest of the people, the people are the nation….blood and soil !

Predatory capitalism that looks to prey on the people of a nation should be taxed so heavily they don’t want to be here !

The mortgage and credit industry has been allowed to totally f**k people over and the pet politicians have used the tax system to force people into their arms ! 
Amazon should be made to f**k off, they have killed high streets and the government have helped them by taxing small business out of existence, it’s a loaded game that contributes nothing to our wider society and just provides minimum wage employment for all the f***ing 3rd world types.

They should all f**k off !

Uber the same !

If it hurts us, financially or socially, we don’t want it !

Proper communities, proper businesses that supply things our own people make and do and they are allowed to keep 90% of what they earn….smaller, wealthier on a local level, safer, friendlier.

All the state should be doing is security (defence and social for those most in need) and infrastructure and domestic policing….the state don’t need to be bigger than that. 
Healthcare means tested, insurance payments tax deductible for those who have to pay.

Social housing instead of letting developers and their predatory mortgage provider banks rape our countryside for profit, planning that stops the big estates and allows local people to build a single dwelling in their own home town or village.

A brutal policy of getting rid of the 3rd world, we are 20 million people over populated and that’s a fact, they have to go….make the space….to live, to work, to preserve, to be kinder, to be a nation and a community that feels like it’s worth striving for a future because it’s worth investing in. 
 

These politicians and banks are preying on us…..suggesting we give any of those c**ts even more money is frankly deluded ! 

Mate, there's a hell of a lot of left leaning ideas in your post!

But your point about 20 million people ( black skinned presumably) having to leave the country is not going to happen. You are just going to have to get used to what is to you their offensive presence. I accept they are here. Equally, I don't want to live near people who have a very different culture to me.  But I don't want to murder them either. I would like to see the laws concerning child grooming improved so that the perpetrators are jailed for life. But that is a different issue.

What's going to happen under Wilfdom? Concentration camps which promise to set people free? Be realistic.

It's crazy talk?

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There's only we two involved in this thread now.

Two lonely voices  with the sea between us thumping away at our keyboards.

Peace and love brother. There is more that joins us than separates us.

And give your little bubble blower a kiss from me.

I'm out. Watching the football.

Edited to add that the tern "bubble blower" refers to Wilf's baby grandson (who is  already doomed to  support West Ham ) and not any part of his anatomy

Edited April 24 by jukel123

[Halfhound 1,439]

I don’t consider myself left leaning I feel I’m in the centre. I’m 100% in support of equality and everyone getting the best chance they can get in this world to proper. But if everyone pays 10% tax which on paper is a great idea well the young lad with no help starting out will struggle to get ahead paying 10% of his crap wage and the shithead lord who’s father gifts him €10million will prosper and prosper. There needs to be something there that keeps these things in balance because one thing I’m sure of is 99% of humans aren’t up to the task. 

[WILF 53,575]

2 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Mate, there's a hell of a lot of left leaning ideas in your post!

But your point about 20 million people ( black skinned presumably) having to leave the country is not going to happen. You are just going to have to get used to what is to you their offensive presence. I accept they are here. Equally, I don't want to live near people who have a very different culture to me.  But I don't want to murder them either. I would like to see the laws concerning child grooming improved so that the perpetrators are jailed for life. But that is a different issue.

What's going to happen under Wilfdom? Concentration camps which promise to set people free? Be realistic.

It's crazy talk?

Always jumping to the most hysterical conclusions, why do you people do that that ?

[Borr 9,221]

I don't want to pay money to imprison pedophiles mass murders or serial rapists .