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[WILF 53,246]

6 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

I love the way some of you lads have come full circle i remember years ago you telling me Nationalism could never work Wilf....how lads like Griffin were dead and we all had to put a shirt and tie on and be a lot more sensible about our approach 

Everything Nationalism was saying then has come true,the knuckle draggers were right all along.....if it wasnt so tragic it would be f****n hilarious.

I remember it mate, hands up, I genuinely thought at the time “this can’t win, it’s not clever enough”……but then clever came along…..and look at how it’s panning out.

I ain’t too proud to say, I was way off the mark there…..clever isn’t all I thought it would crack up to be.

Ive never worried about wiping my mouth and moving on, it’s how life is isn’t it. 

[Bendigo 2,438]

6 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

And there we have it.....somebody who once booked themself as " right wing " telling someone else who is right wing,that we should compromise our morals and values because it " didnt work " ffs !!........and you cant see the pattern in following a man like Farage once claiming to be " right wing " but now appealing to the Muslim vote ffs !

For educated wordly people like some of you's........you are very easily led !!

Without wishing to offend anyone....its weak,pathetic and actually deserves nothing whatsoever in terms of change.

Our opponents are playing the game, playing the long game. 

I'm sorry but goose stepping down the high street didn't work in your day and it isn't going to work now. 

 

[Bendigo 2,438]

6 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

I love the way some of you lads have come full circle i remember years ago you telling me Nationalism could never work Wilf....how lads like Griffin were dead and we all had to put a shirt and tie on and be a lot more sensible about our approach 

Everything Nationalism was saying then has come true,the knuckle draggers were right all along.....if it wasnt so tragic it would be f****n hilarious.

Nick griffin? What the bloke that most nationalists believe destroyed the BNP and won't even hear his name spoken. The bloke who won a couple of council seats and got a place on question time and was backed into a corner talking about race while everyone else were talking about the economy. I actually got on with him brilliantly even though when I first saw him he was wearing a ban foxhunting t shirt.

Or mark collet. Another bloke I like and agree with in person....but allowed himself to be filmed saying he would love to cut a pa ki head off and saying it would of been great to live in 1940's Germany.

Every year I go to the John Tyndall memorial evening with nationalists from around Britain and the world. It's fantastic, I can buy loads of national front memorabilia for my collection and listen to tales of nationalist splits and fall outs. I can listen to discussions on who we hate most the muzzies or the yids and if Tommy r is a hero for exposing grooming gangs or a villain for taking Jew money. 

Perhaps one day those wonderful nationalists will learn to agree and march into power. 

 

[Bendigo 2,438]

My personal prediction for the next general election is a labour/ green coalition. 

They are actually the minority, 'we' are the majority. But we got to learn to play that game to get as many of 'our' side in to positions of power as possible. And by 'our' I mean as many as are not far left pro migration as possible. Some might be middle of the road, some centrist, some even black or moderate Muslims or other ethnics.  Because backing yourself into a corner with arguments about how white you need to be British will get you no further than it got any other 'nationalist'. The British people today just aren't going to buy it..... just like the didn't in the past. 

Our local reform candidate is just like us...pro hunting, pro British and a really decent bloke. His only chance of getting anywhere politically at this moment in time is reform. And we need to get as many blokes like him up there with 200 other MPs and a thousand councillors. It's not about releasing tweets about deporting everyone and fighting islam

 

[WILF 53,246]

1 hour ago, Bendigo said:

My personal prediction for the next general election is a labour/ green coalition. 

They are actually the minority, 'we' are the majority. But we got to learn to play that game to get as many of 'our' side in to positions of power as possible. And by 'our' I mean as many as are not far left pro migration as possible. Some might be middle of the road, some centrist, some even black or moderate Muslims or other ethnics.  Because backing yourself into a corner with arguments about how white you need to be British will get you no further than it got any other 'nationalist'. The British people today just aren't going to buy it..... just like the didn't in the past. 

Our local reform candidate is just like us...pro hunting, pro British and a really decent bloke. His only chance of getting anywhere politically at this moment in time is reform. And we need to get as many blokes like him up there with 200 other MPs and a thousand councillors. It's not about releasing tweets about deporting everyone and fighting islam

 

Politely mate, and then what ?

From what I can see, you end up with a load of Cameronite Tory’s…..what exactly has that achieved ?

Genuine questions mate, not trying to be smart. 

[Lenmcharristar 10,733]

Remember at all times lads, if we do get a better government in and defeat the leftards, they never go away, they regroup and come back as a different entity we need to always be 1 step ahead and never complacent again or next time it will be worse

[Bendigo 2,438]

9 hours ago, WILF said:

Politely mate, and then what ?

From what I can see, you end up with a load of Cameronite Tory’s…..what exactly has that achieved ?

Genuine questions mate, not trying to be smart. 

Even if there was 30 Cameronite Tories.....you still need 200 new MPs and a 1000 new councillors. To get them up there, trained, tested, the unsuitable ones weeded out you need to actually win, to be funded and guided. It doesn't just happen on the back of tweets and social media posts. We still have to get the European court of human rights out of our hair and loads of laws repealed....all without the 'markets' crashing the economy and doubling people's mortgages. 

Gnasher laughed when I once called Tommy Robinson and the edl nationalist.....but he did value the group patriotic alternative.....I spent time with both and almost all PA's members had come via the EDL, so I'd never slag off Tommy r because at least he turned lads towards patriotism. 

You once said....the way forward is to get involved, get into schools as governors , get into local community! That is what is actually happening on the ground with reform. I go to our local area reform branches and it's full of people like us. I go to the opening of other local branches and it's full of decent hard working middle England people like us.....some....shock horror....are black, sometimes there's a turban on a local supporter who has run the local paper shop for 40 years. I do get what your saying wilf, but your dreams of a party of ethnic whites storming to power because a wonder leader 'has the guts to say it as it is' is just pure fantasy. 

We have to be in it to win it, if it wasn't for reform and Nigel farage then there wouldn't be any political talk anywhere about defending our borders and stopping the insane human rights laws. Change isn't going to come over night, changing things is like turning an ocean going liner, it's never going to do a uturn. 

We are going to have to take an entire nation along with us if we are to win, not just a hard ethno right wing. Because.... and I'll say it again cos you really have to understand how serious it is, the left is uniting trans , gays and Islamists!

At the next election the neo liberals, lefties and Islamists will win, they will unite and they will stop change. I've fought loosing battles my entire life with fieldsports and nationalism.....the biggest enemy was always ourselves. 

I do 100% get what you are saying, I agree. But. Keeping hoping for your ethno nationalist super leader to come to your rescue will lead to 100% failure. Even if reform stands a 10% chance of success and change then I'll back it. I'll also back Tommy Robinson and patriotic alternative......they don't have to sing from the same hymn sheet. My enemies enemy is my friend. 

Reform is bigger than just the handful of leaders at the top.....it's the thousands and thousands behind the scenes, knocking on doors and uniting all types of people. For them to win we all need to get behind them.... and if they let us down and Rupert Lowe builds a new party then the people on the ground and in the branches will come from and have learnt their trade with reform. 

 

[WILF 53,246]

3 hours ago, Bendigo said:

Even if there was 30 Cameronite Tories.....you still need 200 new MPs and a 1000 new councillors. To get them up there, trained, tested, the unsuitable ones weeded out you need to actually win, to be funded and guided. It doesn't just happen on the back of tweets and social media posts. We still have to get the European court of human rights out of our hair and loads of laws repealed....all without the 'markets' crashing the economy and doubling people's mortgages. 
 

Let me start by saying, all totally reasonable positions mate so this reply is not to say “you’re wrong”……it’s only to say why I can’t get on board with it.

I don’t believe it is just “30 Cameronite Tory’s” because from what I can see, it isn’t…..it’s a load of Tory MPs, hundreds of Tory councillors.

I can’t forget and I can’t forgive mate…..these people are traitors, plain and simple.

I also can’t get my head round who “unsuitable people” are…..especially when me and probably you are exactly like that…..it’s “suitable” people that got us to this point. 
 

f**k the markets, the markets have been used as a tool to frighten us for too long…..we have to face reality, we are in a debt we can never pay but are told we have to pay it, meanwhile wogs in Africa can get 2 debt write offs in my lifetime that we all had to pay for ??…..they can f**k off…..

Nobody wants the pain but pain is coming wether we want it or not, let it be at least at a time and place of our choosing and on our terms.

3 hours ago, Bendigo said:

Gnasher laughed when I once called Tommy Robinson and the edl nationalist.....but he did value the group patriotic alternative.....I spent time with both and almost all PA's members had come via the EDL, so I'd never slag off Tommy r because at least he turned lads towards patriotism. 
 

Fair

3 hours ago, Bendigo said:

You once said....the way forward is to get involved, get into schools as governors , get into local community! That is what is actually happening on the ground with reform. I go to our local area reform branches and it's full of people like us. I go to the opening of other local branches and it's full of decent hard working middle England people like us.....some....shock horror....are black, sometimes there's a turban on a local supporter who has run the local paper shop for 40 years. I do get what you’re saying wilf, but your dreams of a party of ethnic whites storming to power because a wonder leader 'has the guts to say it as it is' is just pure fantasy. 
 

Again, I don’t know how 3rd world people give us our country back ?…..I don’t want their help, it’s always dye in the water all the time.

I know it all sounds clever and reasonable and nice and all “oh look at us chaps, we aren’t racist, we have a fuzzy wuzzy in our ranks” ……like, I just want them to go away !

I wouldn't let my kids hang about with them, why would I want them to help get my country back?

Infiltrator's is what they are and what they should be regarded as….jmho of course

3 hours ago, Bendigo said:

We have to be in it to win it, if it wasn't for reform and Nigel farage then there wouldn't be any political talk anywhere about defending our borders and stopping the insane human rights laws. Change isn't going to come over night, changing things is like turning an ocean going liner, it's never going to do a uturn. 
 

Agree with all of that, but I think Farage has sold out…..I think all the evidence points to that, but that’s just what I see….others may see it different.

3 hours ago, Bendigo said:

We are going to have to take an entire nation along with us if we are to win, not just a hard ethno right wing. Because.... and I'll say it again cos you really have to understand how serious it is, the left is uniting trans , gays and Islamists!

You are never going to take an entire nation along with you, certainly not at the moment….we arent those people anymore !

We have been hollowed out for decades by all the same politicians and 3rd world “culture” that Reform are now saying are going to help fix it all……there are millions and millions of utter f***ing pricks in the country, the government has done its job well mate !

Why try and win over people that are never going to vote for you and that we don’t want anyway…..?

3 hours ago, Bendigo said:

At the next election the neo liberals, lefties and Islamists will win, they will unite and they will stop change. I've fought loosing battles my entire life with fieldsports and nationalism.....the biggest enemy was always ourselves. 
 

And they will do it by being unashamed in their message while Reform, the Tory’s, Labour and Lib-dems f**k about peddling their same old, same old weak and pissy message trying to be all things to all people and showing off their pet ethnics to prove how “diverse and liberal” they are !……of course you won’t beat Marxists at their own game, why even try ? 

3 hours ago, Bendigo said:

I do 100% get what you are saying, I agree. But. Keeping hoping for your ethno nationalist super leader to come to your rescue will lead to 100% failure. Even if reform stands a 10% chance of success and change then I'll back it. I'll also back Tommy Robinson and patriotic alternative......they don't have to sing from the same hymn sheet. My enemies enemy is my friend.

You keep painting it in these mocking terms mate of “ethno nationalist super leader”…..let’s face it, we are talking about Rupert Lowe and the fact is he is nothing of the sort.

In the cold light of day he is an ordinary upper class businessman who has just said “Let’s stop f***ing about” and said all the things we know to be true……I asked it previously, but can anyone tell me one thing he has said that they don’t agree with ?

He ain’t the messiah, he is just the most high profile person saying what we have all been saying for years with the money to back it up and at a time when the nation may just be ready for these reality’s ?

As he says, get behind him, don’t get behind him, don’t care…..can’t say fairer than that can he mate. 

3 hours ago, Bendigo said:

 

Reform is bigger than just the handful of leaders at the top.....it's the thousands and thousands behind the scenes, knocking on doors and uniting all types of people. For them to win we all need to get behind them.... and if they let us down and Rupert Lowe builds a new party then the people on the ground and in the branches will come from and have learnt their trade with reform. 

 

Why wait another 5 years of betrayal and pain ?…..why not just be honest now…..you may win leaving the ECHR….you may not if “the markets” don’t allow it…..I’m sure the excuses will get made to sound sane and reasonable, the people running for office in reform have a whole political career behind them doing just that so they should be good at it.

Youre all in mate, I respect that, I’m not, I have seen something different to what you have seen with Reform…..that’s how life works.

Id never vote for the same people that betrayed me all the time I had a hole in my arse….to me, I’d just be silly to do it. 
We have all been there and done that, it didn’t work. 

[mackem 31,864]

Einstein-The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[TRUEBRIT66 2,503]

On 07/03/2026 at 12:14, gnasher16 said:

I love the way some of you lads have come full circle i remember years ago you telling me Nationalism could never work Wilf....how lads like Griffin were dead and we all had to put a shirt and tie on and be a lot more sensible about our approach 

Everything Nationalism was saying then has come true,the knuckle draggers were right all along.....if it wasnt so tragic it would be f****n hilarious.

I dont think Nick Griffin is a particularly good example when trying to make a point anymore, did you see the podcast he did where he was sucking up to the up the Muslim interviewer? His level of hatred towards the jews has muddied the waters on his patriotism IMO.