Reform

[Bendigo 1,273]

2 hours ago, WILF said:

I’ve heard that one before……and then that country finally got a leader who valued his own people !

Anyway wilf will you fck off with your digs at farage. 

He wears check shirts 

He wears a gillet 

He goes hunting and fishing 

He drinks real ale.

I honestly think he's my real dad. And once they lift the restraining order against me I'm going to make him admit it.

[Halfhound 428]

Lads I don’t think any one leader or party will solve the mess. I don’t like to say it but I reckon WILF prediction that society just brakes down is more realistic than politics sorting it. I think all anyone can do on a personal level is don’t support the shops, barbers, car washes or businesses they have. Don’t buy their drugs if you’re that way inclined and don’t eat their food. For as long as I’m alive I’ve never seen a government drop taxes for a working man or make their life better in any meaningful way. But I have seen them spunk away billions to their pals and the wealthiest get wealthier and wealthier and not pay near their fair share of tax. So I’m sorry if I’ve no faith in Farage I just base things on what I have and can see with my eyes over the last 50 years 

[Bendigo 1,273]

6 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

Lads I don’t think any one leader or party will solve the mess. I don’t like to say it but I reckon WILF prediction that society just brakes down is more realistic than politics sorting it. I think all anyone can do on a personal level is don’t support the shops, barbers, car washes or businesses they have. Don’t buy their drugs if you’re that way inclined and don’t eat their food. For as long as I’m alive I’ve never seen a government drop taxes for a working man or make their life better in any meaningful way. But I have seen them spunk away billions to their pals and the wealthiest get wealthier and wealthier and not pay near their fair share of tax. So I’m sorry if I’ve no faith in Farage I just base things on what I have and can see with my eyes over the last 50 years 

Agree with most of that....I just have more faith in farage than any other MP. He's just not going to be able to work the wonders some demand of him, it's just not possible under the present reality. 

Agree crash and burn needs to come. But when I have a wife and mother on lifetime medication then crash and burn is worrying.....and I'm more secure than 99% of people....no debt, own home, gold and food supplies, armed to the teeth. For most crash and burn of society could be a death sentence 

[Halfhound 428]

7 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

Agree with most of that....I just have more faith in farage than any other MP. He's just not going to be able to work the wonders some demand of him, it's just not possible under the present reality. 

Agree crash and burn needs to come. But when I have a wife and mother on lifetime medication then crash and burn is worrying.....and I'm more secure than 99% of people....no debt, own home, gold and food supplies, armed to the teeth. For most crash and burn of society could be a death sentence 

Yeah bud I get it. And the most worrying thing is that any situations I’ve seen that turned chaotic in a power struggle kind of a way it’s the most horrible tramp that usually comes out on top. A moral compass or abit of compassion will only be stamped on. Anyway ill be dead as a do do beforehand hopefully

[WILF 51,116]

2 hours ago, Bendigo said:

And in 3 years he will be gone and the establishment will retake control of America, hence the difference between Britain and America. And the difference between the attacks on him in his second term compared to his first 

I was thinking of Adolf…..but Ok ? lol 

[Bendigo 1,273]

34 minutes ago, WILF said:

I was thinking of Adolf…..but Ok ? lol 

Ah yeah, shit, sorry bud

[Bendigo 1,273]

The biggest poll so far is showing reform winning a massive majority.

I'm actually worried they might. The establishment won't let them succeed and the 'markets' would be crashed just to stop them being successful in anything..... leading to another century of lib/lab/con leftwing and globalist government 

[WILF 51,116]

14 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

The biggest poll so far is showing reform winning a massive majority.

I'm actually worried they might. The establishment won't let them succeed and the 'markets' would be crashed just to stop them being successful in anything..... leading to another century of lib/lab/con leftwing and globalist government 

Don’t worry, Reform are drifting so far left and employing enough of all the people who created this disaster in the first place that everyone will be cool with them ! lol 

[Daniel cain 49,454]

I watched and listened for all of 5 mins, yesterday evening,(was all I could take if I'm honest)to a question and answer time program that was televised ,live from the old Bedwas working mans hall, just down the road from me,with  the local candidates for each party in Caerphilly .... complete pile of dog shite... All 6 of themnoticed a pattern though,they all are quick to try and pull Reform apart...whos candidate by the way,wasn't offering anything that ain't been promised before by the previous scumbags..it's all the same shit,who ever gets in..it was honestly like watching a Christmas pantomime,with some f***ing washed out ex blue Peter presenter ... Cringey as f**k the lot of em..these people don't have morals,It's all for their own self promotion and personal gain...

[chartpolski 28,495]

13 minutes ago, WILF said:

Don’t worry, Reform are drifting so far left and employing enough of all the people who created this disaster in the first place that everyone will be cool with them ! lol 

“Drifting left” ? Give over Wilf

Ending Indefinite Leave to remain, retrospectively, internment camps and immediate removal for illegal immigrants, will have the real left in paroxysms of confected anger !

About the only “left” suggestion they are making is removing the two child benefit cap, in the hope it will encourage us to have more children and be less dependent on immigration. 
Id of thought you would see through the establishments attempt to , in the Tory’s case, label Reform as “left wing” and Labours attempts to label Reform as “far right” ?

They can’t be both

As for them taking on board some Tory’s; going by the latest “ mega poll” which projects them getting over 440 seats, they are going to need some people with experience of the parliamentary system. I’m not entirely happy with that either, but it makes sense in a practical way, providing the defectors are genuine and not just “ carter baggers.

As I say, ad nausaum, what’s the alternative?

Cheers.

[WILF 51,116]

2 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

“Drifting left” ? Give over Wilf

Ending Indefinite Leave to remain, retrospectively, internment camps and immediate removal for illegal immigrants, will have the real left in paroxysms of confected anger !

 Ending indefinite leave to remain “for some” with a load of clauses and not quiet knowing what it means….as per the Muslim chairman of Reform on a tv interview the other week ! 

2 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

About the only “left” suggestion they are making is removing the two child benefit cap, in the hope it will encourage us to have more children and be less dependent on immigration. 

Tice has rowed back on some of the promised tax cuts already, nationalising industry (all be it I don’t fundamentally disagree with the principal for certain industry’s) 

Cant explain if a man who wants to pretend he is a woman belongs in a mens or women’s jail 

A party full of the same socialist traitors who not 6, 12, 18 months ago were part of the apparatus that has destroyed that nation and promoted  the ideology behind it with every word and action and encouraging others to do the same, vote for it, endorse it 

2 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Id of thought you would see through the establishments attempt to , in the Tory’s case, label Reform as “left wing” and Labours attempts to label Reform as “far right” ?

They can’t be both

No, they can’t 

2 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

As for them taking on board some Tory’s; going by the latest “ mega poll” which projects them getting over 440 seats, they are going to need some people with experience of the parliamentary system. I’m not entirely happy with that either, but it makes sense in a practical way, providing the defectors are genuine and not just “ carter baggers.

I keep hearing this line and I always ask the same “experience of what?” …….my old areas ex conservative MP worked in his family’s printing firm before he was an MP, the MP before him worked for LACS !!…..what parliamentary experience did they have exactly other than the one they got which was destroying the nation ? 
 

Yeah, these people have experience alright, experience at turning Britain into a 3rd world shit hole ! 

2 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

As I say, ad nausaum, what’s the alternative?

Cheers.

The alternative is to not mandate these type of people yet again 

[chartpolski 28,495]

3 minutes ago, WILF said:

 

The alternative is to not mandate these type of people yet again 

With all due respect Wilf; that’s not an alternative. That’s throwing the towel in and accepting the status quo.

Reform may turn out to be as bad as the rest, ( I fervently hope not), but we will never know unless we give them a go.

Would they surrender to the Chinese and allow spies to act with impunity, as Labour appears to have done ?

Would they be the abject disaster that the Tory’s were for 14 years ?

Rhetorical questions we won’t be able to answer unless Reform is given a go.

As I say, if someone offers me a viable alternative, I’d certainly consider it

Cheers.

[jukel123 9,797]

Tice has said he wants public spending to be 35% of GDP. That would mean austerity such as we've never seen.

275 billion pounds of cuts. Where would the axe lie?  NHS? Education? Welfare? Pensions? Farage has already refused to commit to the triple lock for pensions.

 Britain is in a sorry state  after tory austerity. Roads and town centres in never ending decay. But it will be nothing compared to what is to come.

There's talk of Truss joining Reform. She will add some credibility lol.

[WILF 51,116]

3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

With all due respect Wilf; that’s not an alternative. That’s throwing the towel in and accepting the status quo.

There is another alternative, as members ?, supporters ?, potential voters you demand the party restore itself to the original path where by it was putting up candidates who had been thus far pretty ordinary people from all walks of life……but they haven’t done that, they have loudly shunned those type of people having jumped on the PC bandwagon and allowed themselves to be beaten with the same stick everyone else beats themself with.

Vetted to within an inch of their life to make sure they never said an inconvenient word or had an original thought outside the status quo……surely a worldly bloke like you must have even a tiny voice in the back of your head mate that is screaming “same people, same outcomes” ? 

3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Reform may turn out to be as bad as the rest, ( I fervently hope not), but we will never know unless we give them a go.

Agreed

3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Would they surrender to the Chinese and allow spies to act with impunity, as Labour appears to have done ?

Would they be the abject disaster that the Tory’s were for 14 years ?

As it stands, I think they will do whatever public opinion tells them to do appearing to hold not strong views of their own that they are willing to die on the hill of ? 

3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Rhetorical questions we won’t be able to answer unless Reform is given a go.

As I say, if someone offers me a viable alternative, I’d certainly consider it

Cheers.

I suppose “viable” looks different to everyone mate, I’d just like a bit of honest !….that will do for starters 

[WILF 51,116]

7 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Tice has said he wants public spending to be 35% of GDP. That would mean austerity such as we've never seen.

275 billion pounds of cuts. Where would the axe lie?  NHS? Education? Welfare? Pensions? Farage has already refused to commit to the triple lock for pensions.

 Britain is in a sorry state  after tory austerity. Roads and town centres in never ending decay. But it will be nothing compared to what is to come.

There's talk of Truss joining Reform. She will add some credibility lol.

Truss’s idea was sound…..but it was all the same creatures reform are trying to get cosy with that shit themselves and wanted her destroyed !