Reform

[Bendigo 1,228]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

Very fair point 

However, immigration is a waste of breath if we don’t elect people who are willing to go far enough to do something about it that actually makes any meaningful difference to our daily lives……it’s no good hearing it, you have to see it and feel it.

Are ex Tory’s who thought it was all a jolly good idea in the first place the people to do that ?……

Ive supported and voted Tory.

I think we both realize that to actually sort things out we would need everything to crash and burn down first.....but until then I'll support a political change first, however difficult and unlikely that maybe.... because the crash and burn will mean serious situations for us all. 

Liz truss moved away from the establishment line and they set out to destroy her and had her labeled as incompetent within weeks. Do you really believe her mini budget was so bad it crashed the markets and put up mortgages? 

I fear any type of real change from reform and they would do the same....hence the softer tone and realism creeping into farages tone. 

Just my opinion of course 

[WILF 51,020]

2 minutes ago, Bendigo said:

Ive supported and voted Tory.

I think we both realize that to actually sort things out we would need everything to crash and burn down first.....but until then I'll support a political change first, however difficult and unlikely that maybe.... because the crash and burn will mean serious situations for us all. 

Liz truss moved away from the establishment line and they set out to destroy her and had her labeled as incompetent within weeks. Do you really believe her mini budget was so bad it crashed the markets and put up mortgages? 

I fear any type of real change from reform and they would do the same....hence the softer tone and realism creeping into farages tone. 

Just my opinion of course 

No, I think Truss was spot on and she knew it, but she wasn’t very clever about it…..so I take your point entirely mate.

Trouble is, will being clever about it deliver anything meaningful ?…..I hope so but I’ve no reason to feel hopeful if that makes sense.

[chartpolski 28,425]

The Tory Party, probably since they got rid of Thatcher, hasn’t been a “real” right wing party. 
The “left” of the Tory’s have been pro net zero, pro legal immigration, pro ECHR and EU, just look at the likes of Anna Sourbry and Dominic Grieve, far closer to the LibDems philosophy than Tory philosophy. 
I think the Tory’s, at least most of them , that are defecting to Reform are genuine right wing, who have realised that the modern Tory party is a centre party, and see a home for their beliefs in Farage and Reform.

Of course there will be “carpet baggers” who are defecting more out of saving their seats than personal right wing ideology, but hopefully they will refused entry.

Will Reform be different to the others ? I think and hope so, but as I keep saying, I can’t see an alternative under the present voting system.

Cheers.

[Halfhound 411]

I’ve asked this question before but is it possible for what happened in Ireland to happen in the UK with the election? If reform gained enough seats to have a majority could labour/tories combine there seats to form a coalition? I know it sounds ridiculous but it sounded even more ridiculous here until it happened. That was the day I realised the voting public don’t decide elections anymore 

[jukel123 9,668]

 

7 hours ago, chartpolski said:

It’s a fact that the UK received far more immigrants from the EU than the Uk returned to the EU through the Dublin Agreement.

After Brexit we became able to control our immigration, that we chose not to and Boris allowed massive waves of immigration is hardly Farages fault. He wasn’t in power.

”Farage boats” and “Farage flirted with the Hitler Youth” are just desperate attempts by Labour to smear him, but most aren’t falling for it.

Will Reform be perfect ? Of course not. Will they be better than the legacy parties ? I can only hope so, but I can’t see them being worse.

 

This is worse. Tory reject,  the wonderfully talented  Andrea, doing a turn at The Wheeltapers and Shunters Social club.

I am reliably informed by Nige, that she is to be the new Insomnia, Insanity and Incompetence minister.

Yeeha!

https://youtube.com/shorts/2e93GB4w-v4?si=wFWs2mtutdUkqFBh

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Edited 4 hours ago by jukel123

[chartpolski 28,425]

9 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

I’ve asked this question before but is it possible for what happened in Ireland to happen in the UK with the election? If reform gained enough seats to have a majority could labour/tories combine there seats to form a coalition? I know it sounds ridiculous but it sounded even more ridiculous here until it happened. That was the day I realised the voting public don’t decide elections anymore 

A party can have the most seats but not an overall majority. They can then form a minority government or enter a coalition with another party , just as the Tory’s did with the LibDems some years back.

There is also something called a “confidence and support agreement” where  small party with enough seats can enter into an agreement to support a minority government without being offered or taking seats in that government. I think this happened with Theresa Mays government when she didn’t have an outright majority and I think it was the six DUP MP’s that agreed to support her, giving her an overall majority.

There are 650 MPs so , theoretically a party needs 326 seats to form an overall majority government, but the Speaker is nominally neutral and Sinn Fein don’t take up their seats and vote, so it could be slightly less than 326 seats to form an overall majority .

Cheers.

[Halfhound 411]

43 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

A party can have the most seats but not an overall majority. They can then form a minority government or enter a coalition with another party , just as the Tory’s did with the LibDems some years back.

There is also something called a “confidence and support agreement” where  small party with enough seats can enter into an agreement to support a minority government without being offered or taking seats in that government. I think this happened with Theresa Mays government when she didn’t have an outright majority and I think it was the six DUP MP’s that agreed to support her, giving her an overall majority.

There are 650 MPs so , theoretically a party needs 326 seats to form an overall majority government, but the Speaker is nominally neutral and Sinn Fein don’t take up their seats and vote, so it could be slightly less than 326 seats to form an overall majority .

Cheers.

Yeah that’s what happened here. Except to cap the can sworn enemies joined together to maintain the status quo and protect their power and interests at all costs. Any party that is seen to act for the greater good will be kept out at all costs. I’m not overly well up on it but I do think if Farage does get into power he will work for the wealthy and the Englishman working in an engineering factory and his wife working in the supermarket will be left worse off than ever that’s just an example I mean anyone in a normal job working for a pay check to keep a family week to week. The UK is addicted to cheap labour and has been for the last 20 years and there’s no cigars for guessing who that cheap labour has made super wealthy but I’ll give you a clue it isn’t you or me 

[chartpolski 28,425]

26 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

Yeah that’s what happened here. Except to cap the can sworn enemies joined together to maintain the status quo and protect their power and interests at all costs. Any party that is seen to act for the greater good will be kept out at all costs. I’m not overly well up on it but I do think if Farage does get into power he will work for the wealthy and the Englishman working in an engineering factory and his wife working in the supermarket will be left worse off than ever that’s just an example I mean anyone in a normal job working for a pay check to keep a family week to week. The UK is addicted to cheap labour and has been for the last 20 years and there’s no cigars for guessing who that cheap labour has made super wealthy but I’ll give you a clue it isn’t you or me 

I’m not sure about “Farage working for the wealthy” ?

He wants to scrap “net zero” and subsidies for the green agenda, so electric and gas prices should come down.

He wants to stop both legal and illegal immigration, saving the country billions of pounds, freeing up housing, nhs, etc, which would benefit the working man and woman.

He wants to take back our fishing grounds, supporting British fishermen.

He wants to scrap the farm inheritance tax, supporting British farmers.

He wants to restart drilling for gas and oil in the North Sea, bringing well paid jobs to the working man.

Of course he’s a capitalist, but capitalism brings in investment and jobs; socialism and the green agenda will and is destroying our manufacturing base, putting working class people out of work .

Is Farage a national panacea ? Of course not , but in my mind he is a better alternative to Labour, Conservatives and the LibDems.

I can’t see any other choice than to give Reform a go .

Cheers.

[Halfhound 411]

25 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I’m not sure about “Farage working for the wealthy” ?

He wants to scrap “net zero” and subsidies for the green agenda, so electric and gas prices should come down.

He wants to stop both legal and illegal immigration, saving the country billions of pounds, freeing up housing, nhs, etc, which would benefit the working man and woman.

He wants to take back our fishing grounds, supporting British fishermen.

He wants to scrap the farm inheritance tax, supporting British farmers.

He wants to restart drilling for gas and oil in the North Sea, bringing well paid jobs to the working man.

Of course he’s a capitalist, but capitalism brings in investment and jobs; socialism and the green agenda will and is destroying our manufacturing base, putting working class people out of work .

Is Farage a national panacea ? Of course not , but in my mind he is a better alternative to Labour, Conservatives and the LibDems.

I can’t see any other choice than to give Reform a go .

Cheers.

No bud I get what you’re saying when things are bad for so long you’ll give anything a shot. I’m just back from London and every time I’m over which could be 5/6 times a year I just keep feeling like it’s getting worse and the thought that the town I was born in and live in now could look like that in 20 years genuinely upsets me. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again whatever government we have now are not controlled by us. A lot of this immigration is to have fractured communities who aren’t chatting down the pub on a Sunday afternoon or women leaning over the wall for a fag with their neighbour chatting about whatever. That’s how trouble starts when people grow close and won’t stand to see each other f****d over. Look at the catholic community in the north in the 60s/70s they were abandoned by the Irish government for the simple reason they were coming together and calling people out for the shit situation they had been put in and decided to fight back. The same is happening to English men now being labelled far right thugs for coming together and say they want better for themselves and families. I’m going to make a call now and say I don’t believe Farage will be aloud to upset the apple cart 

[chartpolski 28,425]

1 minute ago, Halfhound said:

No bud I get what you’re saying when things are bad for so long you’ll give anything a shot. I’m just back from London and every time I’m over which could be 5/6 times a year I just keep feeling like it’s getting worse and the thought that the town I was born in and live in now could look like that in 20 years genuinely upsets me. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again whatever government we have now are not controlled by us. A lot of this immigration is to have fractured communities who aren’t chatting down the pub on a Sunday afternoon or women leaning over the wall for a fag with their neighbour chatting about whatever. That’s how trouble starts when people grow close and won’t stand to see each other f****d over. Look at the catholic community in the north in the 60s/70s they were abandoned by the Irish government for the simple reason they were coming together and calling people out for the shit situation they had been put in and decided to fight back. The same is happening to English men now being labelled far right thugs for coming together and say they want better for themselves and families. I’m going to make a call now and say I don’t believe Farage will be aloud to upset the apple cart 

My opinions and views are just that mate; MY views and opinions

I may be completely wrong , I hope not, for the sake of my country and my grandsons future.

I just can’t see a viable alternative to Farage and Reform at the moment.

It looks like we’ve got another 3-4 years of this disastrous Labour government, who knows , something more preferable to Reform may come along before then, but at the moment, it’s Reform for me.

As always, I can respect others views without necessarily agreeing with them

Cheers.

[Halfhound 411]

20 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

My opinions and views are just that mate; MY views and opinions

I may be completely wrong , I hope not, for the sake of my country and my grandsons future.

I just can’t see a viable alternative to Farage and Reform at the moment.

It looks like we’ve got another 3-4 years of this disastrous Labour government, who knows , something more preferable to Reform may come along before then, but at the moment, it’s Reform for me.

As always, I can respect others views without necessarily agreeing with them

Cheers.

I get it bud. You’re a gent and it’s for people you like you that I hope everything gets sorted out. People deserve better. 

[Lenmcharristar 10,337]

1 hour ago, chartpolski said:

I’m not sure about “Farage working for the wealthy” ?

He wants to scrap “net zero” and subsidies for the green agenda, so electric and gas prices should come down.

He wants to stop both legal and illegal immigration, saving the country billions of pounds, freeing up housing, nhs, etc, which would benefit the working man and woman.

He wants to take back our fishing grounds, supporting British fishermen.

He wants to scrap the farm inheritance tax, supporting British farmers.

He wants to restart drilling for gas and oil in the North Sea, bringing well paid jobs to the working man.

Of course he’s a capitalist, but capitalism brings in investment and jobs; socialism and the green agenda will and is destroying our manufacturing base, putting working class people out of work .

Is Farage a national panacea ? Of course not , but in my mind he is a better alternative to Labour, Conservatives and the LibDems.

I can’t see any other choice than to give Reform a go .

Cheers.

In the words of the wakefield sodomiser, its sh1t or bust