Farage and Boris responsible for small boats.

[jukel123 9,275]

2 hours ago, Seagull said:

Lookie lookie men more like, the Canaries are full of em! 

Yes , the' informal' economy too. But from what I read the Senagalese have a strong work ethic which is valued by farmers. Plus, since they are ' irregular' workers they cannot command the same wages or protections  as those with papers.

Edited yesterday at 17:39 by jukel123

[TOMO 28,404]

30 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Well obviously I can't be dead sure a few didn't try and were succesful.

But as you say the preferred method to gain entry was by vehicle in those days.

Most people of a certain age will know of lorry drivers who would risk smuggling people in for a grand or two.

My kids had  stowaways on their school trip to Belgium.

But the boat trips en masse started after Brexit. No dispute about that.

I was in Gran Canaria two years back and witnessed some Senagalese immigrants landing in a small boat. They looked in bad shape. I read their route is mega dangerous but they are willing to risk it. I also read that the majority are given farm work all over Spain. 

So given that they were travelling across what the heck has them now taking to boats got to do with owt....still illegals coming over....they just prefer to sail over now in a bit more style .....probably well turned out in Henry Lloyd outfit

[jukel123 9,275]

38 minutes ago, TOMO said:

So given that they were travelling across what the heck has them now taking to boats got to do with owt....still illegals coming over....they just prefer to sail over now in a bit more style .....probably well turned out in Henry Lloyd outfit

Because in the past they did it secretly and alone or perhaps in pairs. If they were discovered they could be sent back because of the Dublin 111 agreement. 

They now know there is no law in place to send them back. So they come in large numbers in full sight.

I know I speak for myself, but I don't want to attack or burn the hotels of illegal immigrants. If I were born black in a third world country, I would try to get to the west as well.

But borders must be respected, and we expect our politicians to be competent enough to keep our borders intact. We are an island so it should not be difficult.  

Norway has reduced the number of asylum seekers year on year to 1000 in 2024. They are not in Europe but do have the Dublin111 agreement with Europe. Is that the reason? But they are showing  it can be done

Here's a left field but common sense idea. UK undercover military shot dead 3 IRA members in Gibralter. They could surely put the frighteners on people smugglers in France and/ or destroy their dingies?

Edited yesterday at 16:25 by jukel123

[chartpolski 27,465]

4 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Because in the past they did it secretly and alone or perhaps in pairs. If they were discovered they could be sent back because of the Dublin 111 agreement. 

They now know there is no law in place to send them back. So they come in large numbers in full sight.

I know I speak for myself, but I don't want to attack or burn the hotels of illegal immigrants. If I were born black in a third world country, I would try to get to the west as well.

But borders must be respected, and we expect our politicians to be competent enough to keep our borders intact. We are an island so it should not be difficult.  

Norway has reduced the number of asylum seekers year on year to 1000 in 2024. They are not in Europe but do have the Dublin111 agreement with Europe.

Here's a left field but common sense idea. UK undercover military shot dead 3 IRA members in Gibralter. They could surely put the frighteners on people smugglers in France and/ or destroy their dingies?

Problem is Gibraltar is Sovereign British Territory, France is a foreign country.

Our troops shooting people in France would cause a diplomatic incident at the least , and could be construed an act of war at the worst; though I’m not against the principle in general ! LOL !

Cheers.

[jukel123 9,275]

11 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Problem is Gibraltar is Sovereign British Territory, France is a foreign country.

Our troops shooting people in France would cause a diplomatic incident at the least , and could be construed an act of war at the worst; though I’m not against the principle in general ! LOL !

Cheers.

Heaven forbid! I am not advocating shooting people. Just severely beating people up. It is after all what we do as a nation quite well.

But I take your point.

[Seagull 299]

17 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Heaven forbid! I am not advocating shooting people. Just severely beating people up. It is after all what we do as a nation quite well.

But I take your point.

It won't end until the UK, France and other EU countries get together and sort out a real solution.

[WILF 49,665]

4 hours ago, chartpolski said:

Problem is Gibraltar is Sovereign British Territory, France is a foreign country.

Our troops shooting people in France would cause a diplomatic incident at the least , and could be construed an act of war at the worst; though I’m not against the principle in general ! LOL !

Cheers.

Or…..just wait for them to get into U.K. waters and turn them to mince with a gatlin gun ? 
I guarantee you’d only need to do a couple and it would stop altogether ! 

[twobob 1,505]

On 28/07/2025 at 16:34, jukel123 said:

Strange but true. Examine the facts, the stats. When we left the EU, the Dublin 111 agreement meant the small boat crossings began. Since brexit immigration has not gone down. Far from it. Nothing left or right about it mate. We were lied to. Farage and Johnstone probably didn't know of the Dublin 111 agreements. They were and are chancers.

Before that they came inthe back of lorryies no one counting 

[Halfhound 17]

Is there any reason why they are going by boat now in the big numbers? I fly into the UK a couple of times a year and it’s literally off the plane stroll out the door and you’re in for maybe €40. Sorry if I sound like a fool it’s all new to me

[jukel123 9,275]

42 minutes ago, WILF said:

Or…..just wait for them to get into U.K. waters and turn them to mince with a gatlin gun ? 
I guarantee you’d only need to do a couple and it would stop altogether ! 

The UK penalty for people smuggling has increased to life imprisonment.

When people smugglers have dropped their human cargo and are returning to France, but still in British waters, they could surely be arrested. The whole event could be filmed by helicopter or drone as indisputable evidence.

The authorities are just not trying.

Edited 22 hours ago by jukel123

[chartpolski 27,465]

15 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

The UK penalty for people smuggling has increased to life imprisonment.

When people smugglers have dropped their human cargo and are returning to France, but still in British waters, they could surely be arrested. The whole event could be filmed by helicopter or drone as indisputable evidence.

The authorities are just not trying.

I think the smugglers give one illegal a free ride for steering the boat mate. 
One or two have been arrested but that’s not usual

Cheers.

[WILF 49,665]

I don’t know why everyone cracks on like this is some grand plan being orchestrated by some secret cabal of shady underworld “gang masters” as if the hundreds of thousands of fuzzy wuzzys have no choice in the matter !

Any f****r can go round taking a few quid off everyone and buy a boat…… if a boat load of 3rd world types hit the beach at Dover it’s not the fault of a “gang master”, it’s their f***ing fault ! Period ! 
 

As Tomo rightly says, lorry drivers have been getting tortured with these people at Calais for years ! 
 

If anyone is silly enough to think “targeting the gangs” solves any of this then they need their bumps felt…..there ain’t no f***ing “gangs” ! lol 

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by WILF

[WILF 49,665]

10 hours ago, jukel123 said:

The UK penalty for people smuggling has increased to life imprisonment.

When people smugglers have dropped their human cargo and are returning to France, but still in British waters, they could surely be arrested. The whole event could be filmed by helicopter or drone as indisputable evidence.

The authorities are just not trying.

Are they returning to France like some sort of Ferry ?…..because I don’t think they are ! 
This is simply a few more opportunistic wogs who have sussed out the majority don’t have the basic brain to buy their own boat and there is a profit in taking the whip round…..that’s as complicated as it is ! 

[Francie, 2,759]

2 hours ago, WILF said:

I don’t know why everyone cracks on like this is some grand plan being orchestrated by some secret cabal of shady underworld “gang masters” as if the hundreds of thousands of fuzzy wuzzys have no choice in the matter !

Any f****r can go round taking a few quid off everyone and buy a boat…… if a boat load of 3rd world types hit the beach at Dover it’s not the fault of a “gang master”, it’s their f***ing fault ! Period ! 
 

As Tomo rightly says, lorry drivers have been getting tortured with these people at Calais for years ! 
 

If anyone is silly enough to think “targeting the gangs” solves any of this then they need their bumps felt…..there ain’t no f***ing “gangs” ! lol 

 

 

They have a choice wilf,but there being greatly assisted by the ngos funded by you know who,there definitely getting help mate

[scotty12 3,640]

3 hours ago, WILF said:

I don’t know why everyone cracks on like this is some grand plan being orchestrated by some secret cabal of shady underworld “gang masters” as if the hundreds of thousands of fuzzy wuzzys have no choice in the matter !

Any f****r can go round taking a few quid off everyone and buy a boat…… if a boat load of 3rd world types hit the beach at Dover it’s not the fault of a “gang master”, it’s their f***ing fault ! Period ! 
 

As Tomo rightly says, lorry drivers have been getting tortured with these people at Calais for years ! 
 

If anyone is silly enough to think “targeting the gangs” solves any of this then they need their bumps felt…..there ain’t no f***ing “gangs” ! lol 

 

 

How would you stop them coming across the Chanel mate ?