Rupert Lowe

[gnasher16 31,180]

35 minutes ago, mackay said:

Possibly, but at this point it would appear our best or only option.  Reform controlled councils are refusing to accomodate illegal migrants, they're been sent to labour/liberal/ tory controlled councils because of this. If they are controlled opposition then we're all fcuked anyway, but we won't know until we know. Then we'll be looking at something more direct.

This new buzzword/phrase " illegal immigrants ".......are we supposed to get excited about a party saying they are not going to allow people to commit crime ?......is this how far our expectations have fallen ?.........keeping in mind that " illegal immigration " is a tiny drop in the ocean numbers wise compared to legal immigration......is it really something to rub our hands together about......controlled opposition offering the crumbs that desperate people willingly accept....so sad !

Edited June 28 by gnasher16

[mackay 3,580]

46 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

This new buzzword/phrase " illegal immigrants ".......are we supposed to get excited about a party saying they are not going to allow people to commit crime ?......is this how far our expectations have fallen ?.........keeping in mind that " illegal immigration " is a tiny drop in the ocean numbers wise compared to legal immigration......is it really something to rub our hands together about......controlled opposition offering the crumbs that desperate people willingly accept....so sad !

OK mate, indulge me, what's to be done?.

[gnasher16 31,180]

1 hour ago, mackay said:

OK mate, indulge me, what's to be done?.

Whats to be done what ?.... you mean as an individual ? as a group ? as a nation ? as a race ?

Believe me mate i could give you my in depth thoughts on every single one of them but would probably bore the living daylights out of you and everyone else 

[mackay 3,580]

13 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Whats to be done what ?.... you mean as an individual ? as a group ? as a nation ? as a race ?

Believe me mate i could give you my in depth thoughts on every single one of them but would probably bore the living daylights out of you and everyone else 

I would imagine we are both of the same mindset.  I have my doubts about reform also.  I genuinely believe this shit is intentional and even if reform are genuine I doubt they would be able to or be allowed to rectify things.  Got to give it one last go though because after that its going to get very very messy.

[WILF 49,546]

1 hour ago, mackay said:

I would imagine we are both of the same mindset.  I have my doubts about reform also.  I genuinely believe this shit is intentional and even if reform are genuine I doubt they would be able to or be allowed to rectify things.  Got to give it one last go though because after that its going to get very very messy.

I think Reform are a tool, nothing more.

When one of the most high profile people is a paki then you know you’re f****d from the start.

My feelings are, I hope people use the tool to show people that destroying a main party can indeed be done but I think “messy” is where we are headed no matter what……there’s just way too much insanity now for it to be any other way 

[WataWalloper 3,261]

I think you lot are mental, I learned what little I know about politics on this site off some you folk haha haha but I also learnt off you all that they all the fcukkng same, only way I’d vote now is if it was for summat completely diff, like a lizard alien, or superman or summat haha cos as far as I can tell, all these guys, may have diff party names but it feels like they all get paid or atleast told what to do off the same folk haha 

[Borr 7,576]

Well I think many will be shocked at the turning tide that will come off the back of the labour government, and if you look from where we are now towards the next ten years I think it will be the biggest shift in politics in my lifetime, but people have to get behind it whether or not they're disillusioned or not , what have you got to lose by chucking a vote to reform, if they get in and they're the same then you can say I told you so....lol

[mackay 3,580]

43 minutes ago, Borr said:

Well I think many will be shocked at the turning tide that will come off the back of the labour government, and if you look from where we are now towards the next ten years I think it will be the biggest shift in politics in my lifetime, but people have to get behind it whether or not they're disillusioned or not , what have you got to lose by chucking a vote to reform, if they get in and they're the same then you can say I told you so....lol

Mate, I voted for them and will continue to do so.  But I'm under no illusions of what is possible.  Yes give them a chance because deep down the British public aren't quite ready or have the stomach for what we all know deep down needs to be done. Not quite there yet.

[ditchman 3,219]

1 hour ago, mackay said:

Mate, I voted for them and will continue to do so.  But I'm under no illusions of what is possible.  Yes give them a chance because deep down the British public aren't quite ready or have the stomach for what we all know deep down needs to be done. Not quite there yet.

a brutal assesment ...................but you are right

[Bendigo 705]

On 28/06/2025 at 18:38, gnasher16 said:

So lets just get this right.....in a nation that is being torn apart and destroyed largely by immigration ( those non white people ) you think that addressing the problem by avoiding any kind of uncomfortable conversation about non white people is the way to go ?

You think that getting behind a party that is simply there as a neo Tory,pro immigration,establishment safety valve to stop people aligning to genuine nationalism....with the likes of David Bull who stated " immigration is the life blood of this country "....a leader ( Farage ) who stated that his party will allow 600,000 migrants into the Uk every year,including a one in one out policy meaning if 1 million English people left they will let in 1 million migrants......is something you can get behind ?......basic population replacement in our own country but all done in a jolly old way by a charismatic showman with a cleverly crafted image.

The collapse of the Tory party created an opportunity for a new civic nationalist party and these new named Tories filled that gap with good old blokey bloke Farage who has already said that his best ever political achievement was to destroy the BNP ( genuine nationalism ),only he then destroyed Ukip as well and also stood his Brexit Party candidates out of the way so Boris could win the election in 2019.....likewise when Gerrard Batten was attacked from within the party after attempting to allow Robinson to join and laying out a more hard lined manifesto on issues like Islam.....similar with the other geezer Braine who was forced to resign over similar issues.....this is a bloke you can get behind ?

I mean exactly how do you address race related issues without talking about race ?....and if you are too scared to talk about race then what makes the party any different to whats gone before it ?....with a leader who has openly bragged about destroying ethnic nationalism and banning former members of such organisations how can any indigenous British person expect a vote for Reform be seen as anything other than a tactical vote intended to finish of the Conservative Party ?......this fake civic nationalism has to be rejected in the same way as we reject failed right and left wing policies of the traditional two party system we've endured for decades......anyone who claims that putting their own people first is in some way racist is quite frankly delusional,and to believe that getting our country back on track can be done without addressing its most major problems like race is just silly......these gate keepers and paid agents put in place to keep people apathetic and believing that someone ( Farage ) is fighting the battle on their behalf without even being anti immigration,anti establishment or strongly pro British are the type of dreamers who are holding back the inevitable and its disheartening to watch.

Wasnt it Lenin who said " the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourself "......or the yank Pike who said " when they want a hero we shall provide one "........well thats what you are getting with Reform.

Until we accept that for as long as we all try to make this ground up without upsetting the people who hate us or offending those we disagree with....we will continue to fall further and further behind......again,Reform ( Tories Mk 2 ) are controlled opposition to keep the same two party system we've had previously,same game new name......of that i have no doubt.

I'll start at the beginning and hopefully answer your questions as I see them.

Should we avoid talking about race? Well yes and no. I would undoubtedly agree with you almost 100%.... but unfortunately Britain doesn't want to talk about it after years of brainwashing and group think. I see changing things in Britain like turning an a large ocean liner, it takes 50 miles to make it do a 180, you can't just do a hand brake turn. Our village/small town isn't massively effected by immigration, but for me to knock on doors here and lead by talking about race is a total non starter, I can't do it! There are to many well respected none white people who everyone sees as 100% British. 

Labour have a councillor in Milton Keynes who served time for firebombing a butchers shop, was involved with the death of a child on a hunt protest and was once in a far right nazi group.....yet Godfrey bloom was destroyed because he said 'bongo bongo land'. This is the game we are up against. 

Should reform win power the economy would be crashed within months, not because reform are incompetent but because the establishment would crash it. We are a nation that now demands high standards, nice houses, nice cars, foreign holidays etc etc. and we finance it with debt. You will never get the nationalist government you want, we want, until the country hits rock bottom through war or economic collapse, so the steps that need to be taken can be. 

Just like most of today's racial nationalists came via the edl so across the country people are getting practice as councillors and MPs via reform. You can't just wave a magic wand and have your perfect men appear to campaign on things you agree with, the media and establishment will destroy them instantly, they need experience in what they are doing. Going on TV before an election and talking about race would see them finished before they start, they would never get to chat about subjects close to peoples hearts because they would be bogged down in 'whos really British '. 

I'll say it again, the left have united Islamists and gay rights. I've seen drag queens standing shoulder to shoulder with muslim youths holding an 'allah is the greatest' banner at an edl march! And our side will tear themselves to pieces over who's worse, Muslims or Jews, Ukraine or Russia, is farage a plant etc. 

I've walked down garden paths with leaflets for nationalist parties, I've unfolded banners saying 'save our white children' I've knocked on doors of families with half caste kids to talk about race and immigration. All useful things be they will never ever turn that ocean liner at this point.

Go meet your reform branches, local councillors and supporters and you will find people like us, who agree with us and see lots of things the same as us. We need to support the best option until something better comes along, we need a generation of people with the experience of campaigning and door knocking who are routed in local communities. The bnp, NF and Britain first days, while important and needed are a lost cause until society is really really broken through collapse or civil war. 

Nigel farage is prepared to be photographed at hunt meets before an election, he's creating a chance for a new generation of people to get experience in campaigning, if it wasn't for him nobody in British politics would even be talking about immigration and labour would have a free run. That, is turning the ocean liner, even if it's only a few degrees. 

Me and you probably both agree on race, yet I'd stand for reform if I didn't have such a 'compromised' past. Rupert lowe, while we may like and agree with him is not right to be in reform. He can't see an issue with declaring that he had his man servant shoot his dog in the head! FFS wake up, yes we know the truth and respect him but that isn't suitable when you are talking to the retarded British people via the main stream media!!!!

I was out fly fishing the other week with the man who is going to stand locally for reform in the GE. He's one of us 100%. Yet you would put him on the spot in the media asking him about race and who's really British? Rip him to pieces and destroy him in the media demanding he tells you if he supports Tommy Robinson or if he wants mass deportations? Wake up! We are nowhere near even needing that conversation. On every subject I can assure you he's one of us but it's like many on our side need to see him prove his racial qualifications and then push him out into the big wide world to be destroyed so they can say 'yep he's not really one of us'.

 

Edited June 30 by Bendigo

[WILF 49,546]

On 28/06/2025 at 18:38, gnasher16 said:

So lets just get this right.....in a nation that is being torn apart and destroyed largely by immigration ( those non white people ) you think that addressing the problem by avoiding any kind of uncomfortable conversation about non white people is the way to go ?

You think that getting behind a party that is simply there as a neo Tory,pro immigration,establishment safety valve to stop people aligning to genuine nationalism....with the likes of David Bull who stated " immigration is the life blood of this country "....a leader ( Farage ) who stated that his party will allow 600,000 migrants into the Uk every year,including a one in one out policy meaning if 1 million English people left they will let in 1 million migrants......is something you can get behind ?......basic population replacement in our own country but all done in a jolly old way by a charismatic showman with a cleverly crafted image.

The collapse of the Tory party created an opportunity for a new civic nationalist party and these new named Tories filled that gap with good old blokey bloke Farage who has already said that his best ever political achievement was to destroy the BNP ( genuine nationalism ),only he then destroyed Ukip as well and also stood his Brexit Party candidates out of the way so Boris could win the election in 2019.....likewise when Gerrard Batten was attacked from within the party after attempting to allow Robinson to join and laying out a more hard lined manifesto on issues like Islam.....similar with the other geezer Braine who was forced to resign over similar issues.....this is a bloke you can get behind ?

I mean exactly how do you address race related issues without talking about race ?....and if you are too scared to talk about race then what makes the party any different to whats gone before it ?....with a leader who has openly bragged about destroying ethnic nationalism and banning former members of such organisations how can any indigenous British person expect a vote for Reform be seen as anything other than a tactical vote intended to finish of the Conservative Party ?......this fake civic nationalism has to be rejected in the same way as we reject failed right and left wing policies of the traditional two party system we've endured for decades......anyone who claims that putting their own people first is in some way racist is quite frankly delusional,and to believe that getting our country back on track can be done without addressing its most major problems like race is just silly......these gate keepers and paid agents put in place to keep people apathetic and believing that someone ( Farage ) is fighting the battle on their behalf without even being anti immigration,anti establishment or strongly pro British are the type of dreamers who are holding back the inevitable and its disheartening to watch.

Wasnt it Lenin who said " the best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourself "......or the yank Pike who said " when they want a hero we shall provide one "........well thats what you are getting with Reform.

Until we accept that for as long as we all try to make this ground up without upsetting the people who hate us or offending those we disagree with....we will continue to fall further and further behind......again,Reform ( Tories Mk 2 ) are controlled opposition to keep the same two party system we've had previously,same game new name......of that i have no doubt.

 

3 hours ago, Bendigo said:

I'll start at the beginning and hopefully answer your questions as I see them.

Should we avoid talking about race? Well yes and no. I would undoubtedly agree with you almost 100%.... but unfortunately Britain doesn't want to talk about it after years of brainwashing and group think. I see changing things in Britain like turning an a large ocean liner, it takes 50 miles to make it do a 180, you can't just do a hand brake turn. Our village/small town isn't massively effected by immigration, but for me to knock on doors here and lead by talking about race is a total non starter, I can't do it! There are to many well respected none white people who everyone sees as 100% British. 

Labour have a councillor in Milton Keynes who served time for firebombing a butchers shop, was involved with the death of a child on a hunt protest and was once in a far right nazi group.....yet Godfrey bloom was destroyed because he said 'bongo bongo land'. This is the game we are up against. 

Should reform win power the economy would be crashed within months, not because reform are incompetent but because the establishment would crash it. We are a nation that now demands high standards, nice houses, nice cars, foreign holidays etc etc. and we finance it with debt. You will never get the nationalist government you want, we want, until the country hits rock bottom through war or economic collapse, so the steps that need to be taken can be. 

Just like most of today's racial nationalists came via the edl so across the country people are getting practice as councillors and MPs via reform. You can't just wave a magic wand and have your perfect men appear to campaign on things you agree with, the media and establishment will destroy them instantly, they need experience in what they are doing. Going on TV before an election and talking about race would see them finished before they start, they would never get to chat about subjects close to peoples hearts because they would be bogged down in 'whos really British '. 

I'll say it again, the left have united Islamists and gay rights. I've seen drag queens standing shoulder to shoulder with muslim youths holding an 'allah is the greatest' banner at an edl march! And our side will tear themselves to pieces over who's worse, Muslims or Jews, Ukraine or Russia, is farage a plant etc. 

I've walked down garden paths with leaflets for nationalist parties, I've unfolded banners saying 'save our white children' I've knocked on doors of families with half caste kids to talk about race and immigration. All useful things be they will never ever turn that ocean liner at this point.

Go meet your reform branches, local councillors and supporters and you will find people like us, who agree with us and see lots of things the same as us. We need to support the best option until something better comes along, we need a generation of people with the experience of campaigning and door knocking who are routed in local communities. The bnp, NF and Britain first days, while important and needed are a lost cause until society is really really broken through collapse or civil war. 

Nigel farage is prepared to be photographed at hunt meets before an election, he's creating a chance for a new generation of people to get experience in campaigning, if it wasn't for him nobody in British politics would even be talking about immigration and labour would have a free run. That, is turning the ocean liner, even if it's only a few degrees. 

Me and you probably both agree on race, yet I'd stand for reform if I didn't have such a 'compromised' past. Rupert lowe, while we may like and agree with him is not right to be in reform. He can't see an issue with declaring that he had his man servant shoot his dog in the head! FFS wake up, yes we know the truth and respect him but that isn't suitable when you are talking to the retarded British people via the main stream media!!!!

I was out fly fishing the other week with the man who is going to stand locally for reform in the GE. He's one of us 100%. Yet you would put him on the spot in the media asking him about race and who's really British? Rip him to pieces and destroy him in the media demanding he tells you if he supports Tommy Robinson or if he wants mass deportations? Wake up! We are nowhere near even needing that conversation. On every subject I can assure you he's one of us but it's like many on our side need to see him prove his racial qualifications and then push him out into the big wide world to be destroyed so they can say 'yep he's not really one of us'.

 

Cracking debate lads, well done.

I think we need to look to history, now I am loath to make the comparison because of all the connotations but purely from the point of how does nationalism get a foothold in running a country we have to look back at pre war Germany.

The Nazi party had to massively tone down their rhetoric, Hitler had to play the game and subjugate himself in word and deed to mainstream politicians, make his party less distasteful not only to the masses but more importantly to the political elite in order to eventually gain total power.

And it worked…..Trojan horse style. 
 

Our best hope is that we will see a harder kind of nationalist type thinking IF reform ever form a government with a majority big enough to carry it in what it wants to do…..At the minute, I’m not liking seeing all the traitors that got us here being allowed to join but hey, that’s how it is…..if in the end it’s another busted flush then so be it. 
 

We are already seeing mainstream Nordic country’s pay these 3rd world people to leave….thats would have been unthinkable a couple of years ago…..so who knows what reform may be able to do ?

I don’t trust them, I don’t like the people like Anderson and Yousef, the jury is out on Farage but they are as close as I can see us getting……we have no choice but to back them and see what happens. 
 

The most important bit to remember is that most British people are total f***ing idiots, and you have to design a narrative for them. 

Edited June 30 by WILF

[mackay 3,580]

I get it, I do, people are frustrated, myself included but, there's a way to do things. Stick me on question time and I would have reform declared a right wing neo nazi group just by supporting them and voicing my opinions. There's a way to do things in the sordid world of politics and most of us,  Rupert Lowe included ( who I agree with and respect) aren't capable of. It's happening slowly and who knows possibly too little too late but things are happening now and people are speaking out now without giving a shit about the consequences. Perhaps reform are managed opposition, but without Farage and reform we wouldn't be where we are at this time. If reform fcuk up then we are fcuked, but then if they weren't there in the first place we'd already be done.  If they fail or they are just part of the establishment then at least we will know where we stand and what our other options are.

[WILF 49,546]

My mother in law was here the weekend !……she is 70, she is the classic example of British thinking.

She refuses to acknowledge that we have been fools and it’s our fault, she is the typical “what can you do, it’s the same everywhere” , keep voting for the same people and hope type. 
 

The very essence of “you can’t say that” or do this standard British mentality.

She thinks if you just keep playing by the rules then it will be OK ! 
If it’s on the news it’s true, zero critical thinking, it’s all the fault of “the lazy” if you can’t afford a house or are on benefits, “I don’t need my heating allowance” that I paid for all my life moron !…….she still trusts the state ! 
 

It’s people like her that will decide elections and let me tell you, she is (from what I have seen in my life) the majority ! ……..it’s not us, it’s her Reform need to convince if they are to stand any hope of breaking the two party system.

She is a total f***ing idiot and there’s a lot of her ! 
 

Edited to add:

The role the Rupert Lowe’s of this world can perform and, imho, are essential are keeping people like Reform as honest as possible and saying stuff that ordinary people say out loud and in public thus pushing the boundary for political party’s to do the same……without the Rupert Lowe’s of this world politicians would all still be tiptoeing round saying “grooming gangs” instead of “Pakistani rape gangs”

That's what the likes of Rupert Lowe bring to the picnic.

Edited June 30 by WILF

[chartpolski 27,352]

11 minutes ago, WILF said:

My mother in law was here the weekend !……she is 70, she is the classic example of British thinking.

She refuses to acknowledge that we have been fools and it’s our fault, she is the typical “what can you do, it’s the same everywhere” , keep voting for the same people and hope type. 
 

The very essence of “you can’t say that” or do this standard British mentality.

She thinks if you just keep playing by the rules then it will be OK ! 
If it’s on the news it’s true, zero critical thinking, it’s all the fault of “the lazy” if you can’t afford a house or are on benefits, “I don’t need my heating allowance” that I paid for all my life moron !…….she still trusts the state ! 
 

It’s people like her that will decide elections and let me tell you, she is (from what I have seen in my life) the majority ! ……..it’s not us, it’s her Reform need to convince if they are to stand any hope of breaking the two party system.

She is a total f***ing idiot and there’s a lot of her ! 

Longest “ mother in law “ joke ever ? LOL !

Things ARE changing with the British mind set, Wilfy, yes, a long way to go, but people are fed up with the legacy parties and news and are saying “ what the hell, let’s give Reform a go, they couldn’t do worse and might just be better”.

Ive noticed on GBNews the obligatory lefty’s are moving away from Starmer and the Labour Parliamentry Party. They are still trying to defend Socialism, but not as it’s being applied by Labour.

Just my opinion, of course.

Cheers.

[WILF 49,546]

3 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Longest “ mother in law “ joke ever ? LOL !

Things ARE changing with the British mind set, Wilfy, yes, a long way to go, but people are fed up with the legacy parties and news and are saying “ what the hell, let’s give Reform a go, they couldn’t do worse and might just be better”.

Ive noticed on GBNews the obligatory lefty’s are moving away from Starmer and the Labour Parliamentry Party. They are still trying to defend Socialism, but not as it’s being applied by Labour.

Just my opinion, of course.

Cheers.

I’m confident, in fact I’m positive, that this insanity will all end somehow….always has, always will.

Probably not in any meaningful way in my lifetime, but for future generations certainly……the kicker is that we don’t know how.

As it stands I can’t see it being sensible, this ends in chaos and brutality…..but, it’s shifting sands all the time and we can only hope.