mushroom 14,063 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 What if Aliens were the ones who brought the DNA? Would that make them God/a God? Genuine question Francie I like this kind of philosophical debate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,610 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 (edited) 22 minutes ago, mushroom said: Nope physics and maths cannot reconcile quantum entanglement even at the most basic level. Black holes you are correct that up to a point to the event horizon seem to follow what we know. Once matter/energy is inside they make no sense hence no models to explain the structure, internal dynamics or how there seem to be periodical bursts of energy that leave the event horizon. Dark energy and matter have not even been proven to exist yet from what we know about the laws of physics (e.g. matter anti matter) dark matter/energy shouldn’t be able to exist with normal together. Dark would be anti gravity yet gravity is based (in our current understanding) on mass, so dark would theoretically have zero or minus mass to be in contradiction. Try googling the theory of everything. How reconciliation of relativity, quantum and string have proven impossible by the greatest minds of the last 100 years. Hawkins worked on this problem for over 50 years and came no closer to resolving it. They still don't break the fundamental laws of physics, they just reveal the limitations of our current laws. None of the phenomena you mentioned have so far contradicted the fundamentals, they just show that our understanding is not yet fully complete. Edited June 7 by Pardus 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,809 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 Get a load of mushy Hawkins an Neil de greb tyson lol 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,809 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 @chartpolski Let's go back to the beginning of Time,could you explain how nothing exploded an created the universe an the constants within,we can go on to evoloution after that lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,063 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, Pardus said: They still don't break the fundamental laws of physics, they just reveal the limitations of our current laws. Erm yes they do! The fundamental laws are none changing. Hence they are laws not theories. Everything that has been discussed here is a separate entity and hasn’t been given its own laws (in totality) only theory. Also, laws of physics have been proven mathematically and in the real world. They are building quantum computers right now and have no fuucking clue how they work, only that they do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,610 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 13 minutes ago, Francie, said: OK get them up an we will go through them,iv done this with the same fossils on here years ago before you were on,but we'll do it again,pick one an well start from there mate The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence | National Center for Science Education NCSE.NGO How do you convince a creationist that a fossil is a transitional fossil? Give up? It is a trick question. You cannot do it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,063 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 4 minutes ago, Francie, said: @chartpolski Let's go back to the beginning of Time,could you explain how nothing exploded an created the universe an the constants within,we can go on to evoloution after that lol Several theories there Francie love lol I personally lean towards a dimensional explanation. I’ll bring the same question to you I brought to my priest when I was 6…. Who was in heaven before God and who built heaven? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,610 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 5 minutes ago, mushroom said: Erm yes they do! The fundamental laws are none changing. Hence they are laws not theories. Everything that has been discussed here is a separate entity and hasn’t been given its own laws (in totality) only theory. Also, laws of physics have been proven mathematically and in the real world. They are building quantum computers right now and have no fuucking clue how they work, only that they do. Even fundamental laws are not immutable truths but continually refined models based on evidence. Newton's laws of motion were treated as absolutes for centuries but were only valid at low speeds and weak gravity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,063 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 4 minutes ago, Pardus said: Even fundamental laws are not immutable truths but continually refined models based on evidence. Newton's laws of motion were treated as absolutes for centuries but were only valid at low speeds and weak gravity. Dude you’ve just made my point! Your use of Google has led you to bloody say exactly what I’ve been saying FLMAO 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,610 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mushroom said: Dude you’ve just made my point! Your use of Google has led you to bloody say exactly what I’ve been saying FLMAO Let's not pretend you aren't using Google lad, you mistook Dark Matter for Dark Energy. Lol Einstein's later theories didn't debunk Newton's or break his laws, they merely expanded them. Edited June 7 by Pardus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,860 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 (edited) 50 minutes ago, mushroom said: Nope physics and maths cannot reconcile quantum entanglement even at the most basic level. Black holes you are correct that up to a point to the event horizon seem to follow what we know. Once matter/energy is inside they make no sense hence no models to explain the structure, internal dynamics or how there seem to be periodical bursts of energy that leave the event horizon. Dark energy and matter have not even been proven to exist yet from what we know about the laws of physics (e.g. matter anti matter) dark matter/energy shouldn’t be able to exist with normal together. Dark would be anti gravity yet gravity is based (in our current understanding) on mass, so dark would theoretically have zero or minus mass to be in contradiction. Try googling the theory of everything. How reconciliation of relativity, quantum and string have proven impossible by the greatest minds of the last 100 years. Hawkins worked on this problem for over 50 years and came no closer to resolving it. There’s four known forces, gravity , electromagnetic, strong nuclear and weak nuclear. GUT , ( great unifying theory, ), unifies Electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear forces. TOE, ( the theory of everything ) is attempting to unify all four forces, but cannot reconcile gravity with the other three. Basic physics. Edited June 7 by chartpolski 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,063 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 Just now, Pardus said: Let's not pretend you aren't using Google lad, you mistook Dark Matter for Dark Energy. Lol Here we go. Gone has the amiable conversation once you are proven wrong/contradict yourself! I don’t need Google to have this conversation! And I didn’t confuse them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,860 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 24 minutes ago, Francie, said: @chartpolski Let's go back to the beginning of Time,could you explain how nothing exploded an created the universe an the constants within,we can go on to evoloution after that lol No. Can you explain how god made Adam from clay and blew life into him ? Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,063 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, chartpolski said: There’s four known forces, gravity , electromagnetic, strong nuclear and wesk nuclear. GUT , ( great unifying theory, ), unifies Electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear forces. TOE, ( the theory of everything ) is attempting to unify all four forces, but cannot reconcile gravity with the other three. Basic physics. Also attempts to include Quantum and/or string depending the mathematician/discipline And let’s not start on the dark side Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,610 Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 3 minutes ago, mushroom said: Here we go. Gone has the amiable conversation once you are proven wrong/contradict yourself! I don’t need Google to have this conversation! And I didn’t confuse them You stated that Dark Matter was causing the rapid expansion of the Universe, that isn't doing that, that is Dark Energy. I didn't need Google to spot your glaring error. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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