Reform U.K…….

[Seagull 828]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

He makes a great point at the end there about just the quality of the people we are electing and maybe will elect.

Now, this may come over a bit snobbish and it’s not meant to but mostly people are just thick as shit !

Now, whether that’s wilfully ?, accidentally ?, because they don’t have time to listen to a range of opinions or history or whatever ?…..I don’t know but it’s a fact we are getting behind extremely shit people decade after decade……I’ve been guilty of it and I can say with almost certainty that everyone here has been guilty of it too. 
 

But the first step imho is admitting where I went boss eyed, so I’m happy to say “I got taken to the cleaners and it’s my fault for not paying attention and looking hard enough” 

I think everyone needs to do that and plenty of it.

The great thing about the internet is, there is a massive amount of information from all sides of every imaginable spectrum…..as in, a lowly nothing oik like me can sit and listen to an Oxford professor explain any number of subjects, the history behind them, cause and effect etc etc etc 

I can listen to phycologists and intellectuals and ordinary blokes off the street, authors and poets and artists and former generals.

I sat yesterday and watched interviews with Albert Speer and Admiral Karl Donietz (spel ?) …….all in their own words and given in a time before political correctness……there was never a time on earth when a lad from South London with no formal education could have done that but I can do it now.

And that means I can form prospectives and opinions and have access to first hand information to do that with.

I can listen to Douglas Murray or Novara Media, I can listen to Steven Fry or Liver King ! lol ….but the point is, it’s all there and enables us to make better judgements and have a better understanding than we ever have in our history. 
 

Now we get to Reform…..

I understand that in times of crisis and panic (which we are !) people grab for the first bit of driftwood to keep them afloat…..but human beings are also inclined to make poor decisions when their hand is forced too…..Reform are driftwood imho, are they a poor decision ?……well I think most would agree they are the only decision we have ?

Or are they ?…….because I’d say, let’s not get caught again going from frying pan to fire.

I was up for them at the start, I was positive, not one of these crystal ball naysayers who seem to know a lot of stuff (sometimes rightly because they are just better informed or brighter about certain hazards) before the event…….so along with everyone else I was like “great, this is what we could do with….breath of fresh air” 

Then I was a bit like “Well, ok, they could be a tool just to destroy the Tory and Labour Party” 

Now they are so full of the same dull, meaningless traitors that it isn’t destroying the Tory party at all, it’s just electing them again except they are pretending to be something else….and that then leads on to destroying Labour, well you’re not are you ?…….not if you elect a load of Blairite clones which is basically what every major party is. 
 

Then you listen to the words, and any person with half a brain will see it’s becoming a load of non committal claptrap !…….is saying you can use a balloon to smash a battle ship…..absolute f***ing nonsense ! 
 

Does anyone doubt the seriousness of where we are as a country ?…..as in, have they fully grasped the scale ?……now, just on immigration we are in the middle of a full blown genocide ! 
 

That’s not just some hysterical over statement, look up the definition of genocide…..it’s an absolute truth !

Because you are sitting in front of your telly while it happens rather than getting marched off to camps don’t make it any less so…..

Then take finance, we are f****d !….as in f****d !…….we can never ever, ever pay down the debt…..like, ever !

It would take over 8000 years at a million quid a day if you stopped the debt clock right now !……let’s be real, that’s never getting paid back…..so that makes everyone a slave to that debt and whoever owns it, forever ! 
 

Does reform sound like they are saying anything that impacts that fact in any meaningful way ?…….in my lifetime there have been two African debt write offs, like the whole of Africas debt gone at the press of a button…..is anyone suggesting that so that ordinary Britains can get the country back on its feet and if not, why not ? 
 

So my point is, being absolutely truthful is Reform saying anything that will fix anything ?……like really ?

And if they ain’t, why the f**k is anyone investing time into them…..what’s the point ? Take desperation out of it, what’s the point ?

They are polling 35%, shouldn’t we be making them poll at 10% and forcing better out of them ? Or are we all just so desperate that any shit will do if it makes us feel better for 5 minutes ?

The same isn’t change, it’s just the same and there’s enough education freely available that we really should be making a better job of who we get behind and why nowadays. 

Good read bit it's just ramblings at the end of the day. Reform is about as right as we will go, if anyone thinks that the general public will vote for an extreme right party then they are that out of touch with reality it's just silly. The best we can realistically hope for is a strict clampdown on future asylum claims, deportations of criminal asylum seekers, etc. If you vote for a fringe right wing party then you might as well go vote Conservative or Labour.

[chartpolski 28,094]

I respect everyone’s opinions without necessarily agreeing with them, that’s what forums are for, discussions and debates.

I hear those that doubt Farage and Reform but I don’t hear any alternatives being proposed ?

l’ll address only one subject, the one that seems uppermost in most people’s minds; illegal immigration.

Farage has laid out his plans quite clearly , for me, leave the ECHR, scrap the parts of that treaty that Blair had enshrined into UK law, immediate detention and deportation for any one entering illegally, and never being allowed to get UK citizenship.

This is in their manifesto. Contrast that with Labour who refuse outright to leave the ECHR and are relying on France, and paying them a fortune, to stop the boats.

The Tories have to many lefties to allow us to leave the ECHR, and talk about “reforming” articles 3 and 8, but every member country has to agree to this and that’s never going to happen !

So, I’ll ask; what’s the alternative to Reform ? I can’t see any viable alternative, so I’m willing to give them a try, anything must be better than the LibLabCon legacy parties.

Cheers.

[kanny 21,723]

20 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I respect everyone’s opinions without necessarily agreeing with them, that’s what forums are for, discussions and debates.

I hear those that doubt Farage and Reform but I don’t hear any alternatives being proposed ?

l’ll address only one subject, the one that seems uppermost in most people’s minds; illegal immigration.

Farage has laid out his plans quite clearly , for me, leave the ECHR, scrap the parts of that treaty that Blair had enshrined into UK law, immediate detention and deportation for any one entering illegally, and never being allowed to get UK citizenship.

This is in their manifesto. Contrast that with Labour who refuse outright to leave the ECHR and are relying on France, and paying them a fortune, to stop the boats.

The Tories have to many lefties to allow us to leave the ECHR, and talk about “reforming” articles 3 and 8, but every member country has to agree to this and that’s never going to happen !

So, I’ll ask; what’s the alternative to Reform ? I can’t see any viable alternative, so I’m willing to give them a try, anything must be better than the LibLabCon legacy parties.

Cheers.

I've said many times before, I will likely vote Reform but it won't be with any hope of them actually making any real change ,i don't think they will and I'll be happy to be proven wrong, if I do vote Reform it will only be for accelerationism purpose. Reform are the uni party safety valve imo ,people are going to have to experience the let down one more time i think. 

[kanny 21,723]

41 minutes ago, Seagull said:

Good read bit it's just ramblings at the end of the day. Reform is about as right as we will go, if anyone thinks that the general public will vote for an extreme right party then they are that out of touch with reality it's just silly. The best we can realistically hope for is a strict clampdown on future asylum claims, deportations of criminal asylum seekers, etc. If you vote for a fringe right wing party then you might as well go vote Conservative or Labour.

Under the right circumstances people will vote for the guy with the little mustache, hopefully we can avoid that with common sense politics. If we can't then there's dark days ahead. 

[Seagull 828]

5 minutes ago, kanny said:

Under the right circumstances people will vote for the guy with the little mustache, hopefully we can avoid that with common sense politics. If we can't then there's dark days ahead. 

I doubt that after the horrors of WW2, I think many of the working class are concerned about immigration but it can't be that much of an issue because we had one of the worst turnouts in voting history last year.

[WILF 50,464]

44 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I respect everyone’s opinions without necessarily agreeing with them, that’s what forums are for, discussions and debates.

I hear those that doubt Farage and Reform but I don’t hear any alternatives being proposed ?

l’ll address only one subject, the one that seems uppermost in most people’s minds; illegal immigration.

Farage has laid out his plans quite clearly , for me, leave the ECHR, scrap the parts of that treaty that Blair had enshrined into UK law, immediate detention and deportation for any one entering illegally, and never being allowed to get UK citizenship.

This is in their manifesto. Contrast that with Labour who refuse outright to leave the ECHR and are relying on France, and paying them a fortune, to stop the boats.

The Tories have to many lefties to allow us to leave the ECHR, and talk about “reforming” articles 3 and 8, but every member country has to agree to this and that’s never going to happen !

So, I’ll ask; what’s the alternative to Reform ? I can’t see any viable alternative, so I’m willing to give them a try, anything must be better than the LibLabCon legacy parties.

Cheers.

One suggestion is do nothing ?…..as in, just let nature take its course ? 
 

If nobody will take the bull by the horns then let them reap what they sow, the danger (imho) isn’t putting these people into office….the danger is kidding ourselves on its job done when we do. 
I think a hell of a lot of people will do that……

 

[WILF 50,464]

1 hour ago, Seagull said:

Good read bit it's just ramblings at the end of the day. Reform is about as right as we will go, if anyone thinks that the general public will vote for an extreme right party then they are that out of touch with reality it's just silly. The best we can realistically hope for is a strict clampdown on future asylum claims, deportations of criminal asylum seekers, etc. If you vote for a fringe right wing party then you might as well go vote Conservative or Labour.

A couple of really interesting things there, well just one actually and it’s one I hear all the time.

Now this isn’t aimed particularly at you but at anyone who says “nobody is going to vote extreme far right” (whatever that means) but, what part of genocide is nobody grasping ?

Genuinely, what part of that does nobody get ?

When did anyone have to be “extreme far right” to not want genocide of themselves or anyone else ?……is fighting for your life now an “extreme” way to think ? 
 

This is what I’m talking about, it’s happening right now, to us and folks talk like it’s mowing the lawn !

It don’t look like getting marched off to camps and gassed, you won’t find it in a clearing in some remote woods…..you’ll find it in the maternity ward at your local hospital and in the rhetoric being taught in school !

Same gos for debt, if it was the council estate money lenders we would all be raging…but because it’s the government it’s something abstract, something else, different ?……it isn’t !

[Seagull 828]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

A couple of really interesting things there, well just one actually and it’s one I hear all the time.

Now this isn’t aimed particularly at you but at anyone who says “nobody is going to vote extreme far right” (whatever that means) but, what part of genocide is nobody grasping ?

Genuinely, what part of that does nobody get ?

When did anyone have to be “extreme far right” to not want genocide of themselves or anyone else ?……is fighting for your life now an “extreme” way to think ? 
 

This is what I’m talking about, it’s happening right now, to us and folks talk like it’s mowing the lawn !

It don’t look like getting marched off to camps and gassed, you won’t find it in a clearing in some remote woods…..you’ll find it in the maternity ward at your local hospital and in the rhetoric being taught in school !

Same gos for debt, if it was the council estate money lenders we would all be raging…but because it’s the government it’s something abstract, something else, different ?……it isn’t !

Your fears aren't reflective of the populations though, hence why the poor turnout, hence why Labour got in power. I think people do have concerns about the droves of asylum seekers,  but don't be surprised even if Reform don't get in at the next elections.

[WILF 50,464]

Just now, Seagull said:

Your fears aren't reflective of the populations though, hence why the poor turnout, hence why Labour got in power. I think people do have concerns about the droves of asylum seekers,  but don't be surprised even if Reform don't get in at the next elections.

Hence my post, we have access to more education and information than at any time in history and to a much higher level than most of us could aspire to or afford…..and we make use of none of it ! 
 

[WILF 50,464]

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Genocide is a crime under international law involving acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. These acts include killing members, causing serious harm, deliberately inflicting conditions of life intended to bring about physical destruction, preventing births, or forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

[WILF 50,464]

Denial of genocides of Indigenous peoples - Wikipedia

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[WILF 50,464]

The debt can never be paid, ever !

We borrowed 20 billion the other month and 16 billion went on paying debt intrest !……that’s borrowing money to pay the intrest on borrowed money !

Let that sink in ! 

[WILF 50,464]

Forced assimilation - Wikipedia

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Other than language, absolutely no different ! 

[WILF 50,464]

Tell me how anything any party is saying fixes any of that ? 

[scotty12 3,926]

10 minutes ago, WILF said:

Tell me how anything any party is saying fixes any of that ? 

Your learning son