Bliar.

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8 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I have no sympathy with scum who behave like that. They are vermin full stop.

Shop staff should not have to put themselves in that position having to challenge thieves. Its wrong and dangerous for them. Verbal abuse is bad enough but that is unacceptable on many levels. My Mrs works in a charity shop and they have a policy of letting thieves walk. 

I am sorry for your daughter's experiences mate.

The incident put her off shop work for life and now works in the laundrette at the same care home the wife work's in. 

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45 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I watched that interview with Baroness Mone and her husband with Laura Kunesberg this morning.

Its not about theft, it’s about corruption and abuse of power.

Her and her husband at first denied they had any connections to the company that supplied the ppe.

Then when it came to light that her husband had set up the company and had around £26 million in profits put into offshore trust funds for himself, his children and Mones children , she denied anything to do with it.

Then it came to light that she used her position in the Lords to lobby other lords and MP’s to have the contracts awarded to her husbands company.

It stinks, it may not be theft in the literal meaning of the word, but it’s definitely corruption and misuse of power and influence!

And, either way, it’s millions taken from the exchequer and looted by unscrupulous shithouses who used a pandemic to secure their and their childrens futures at the expense of the taxpayer.

Will they be charged or punished ? I doubt it, she was given a peerage and it would look bad on the people who ennobled her.

Ce la vie …..

Cheers.

 

Not exactly news is it mate, that’s how life is…..it starts with “I’ll get you a start with a bloke it know” right the way up to “write lord wotsit a cheque for 85 million quid please Mr Treasury Person” 

If we want better people then we better start electing better people….or at least give someone different a go to see if they are any better.

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39 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Think you've got me down for someone else Wilf. I don't remember advocating a tax on anything????

You have often advocated for extra tax (I think the double speak is “fair share”) on what you consider “the richest” …….don’t really know how you sort out who they are but anyway.

You have advocated for closing tax exemptions so that “the richest” (there’s those boys again) pay more….

So no mate, no mistake here old chap 

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3 minutes ago, WILF said:

Not exactly news is it mate, that’s how life is…..it starts with “I’ll get you a start with a bloke it know” right the way up to “write lord wotsit a cheque for 85 million quid please Mr Treasury Person” 

If we want better people then we better start electing better people….or at least give someone different a go to see if they are any better.

We could start by abolishing the House of Lords .

Why do we need an unelected upper chamber ? 
That’s a rhetorical question; I know they are supposed to be there to “scrutinise and advise” , but they are no longer impartial, they now try to hinder, delay and if possible, destroy government policy, ( see “Brexit” and “Rwanda “).

Then make the punishments for Crimes In High Office, yes, that’s an actual offence, so draconian, so swinging, the fuckers wouldn’t dare !

Wishfull thinking, yeah, short of a revolution or military coup nothing will change; and even then would it change for the better ?

Cheers.

 

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5 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

We could start by abolishing the House of Lords .

Why do we need an unelected upper chamber ? 
That’s a rhetorical question; I know they are supposed to be there to “scrutinise and advise” , but they are no longer impartial, they now try to hinder, delay and if possible, destroy government policy, ( see “Brexit” and “Rwanda “).

Then make the punishments for Crimes In High Office, yes, that’s an actual offence, so draconian, so swinging, the fuckers wouldn’t dare !

Wishfull thinking, yeah, short of a revolution or military coup nothing will change; and even then would it change for the better ?

Cheers.

 

Maybe an elected upper house to restrict the governments worst urges ?…….elected by the electorate of course, not MPs.

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12 minutes ago, WILF said:

You have often advocated for extra tax (I think the double speak is “fair share”) on what you consider “the richest” …….don’t really know how you sort out who they are but anyway.

You have advocated for closing tax exemptions so that “the richest” (there’s those boys again) pay more….

So no mate, no mistake here old chap 

OK I said that. My mistake.

I stand by what I said. The big problem we have, imo, is that the super rich decide their own rules. Amazon and Trump and others pay f**k all. Even the late queen ploughed her wealth into foreign tax havens thereby depriving her 'subjects' of cash. Yet Joe Public is screwed for every penny.

I know we differ on tax revenue, no point in digging up that one. It usually ends with you calling me a Marxist. Or worse.Lol. Just for the record I believe in  capitalism, I'm a big supporter. But there is a an 'unacceptable face of capitalism' which includes tax avoidance and the Malones of this world. You call that jealousy. I disagree.

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31 minutes ago, tatsblisters said:

The incident put her off shop work for life and now works in the laundrette at the same care home the wife work's in. 

I take back what I said mate. Sometimes my sense of solidarity gets mixed up.

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Just now, WILF said:

Maybe an elected upper house to restrict the governments worst urges ?…….elected by the electorate of course, not MPs.

No, an elected upper chamber could then claim to have a mandate from the voters and set themselves up in direct opposition to the elected commons.

We have an elected “second chamber” , it’s the opposition parties. If they don’t have the numbers it’s because the voters thought, rightly or wrongly, that the party in power would stick by the manifesto they were voted in on !

As Churchill said “ British democracy is the least worst of all the other forms of government “ or words to that effect.

Labour wants to abolish the House of Lords, but continues to pack them in, such luminaries as Baroness Chackrabati and the Tories at no better with Baroness Warsi, and of course the newly ennobled Baron Cameron of Chipping Norton!

A pox on both their houses ……

Cheers.

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1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Judgemental that mate. Plenty of working people can't feed their families and have to go to food banks. I don't buy the argument that shoplifters put up prices. The supermarkets rip us off whatever the circumstances. 

There's a pub in  Salford where I meet up with mates I started school with literally 70 years ago. You could always buy stuff there that had fallen off the back of a wagon, or was " spillage" from the docks. It used to be luxuries like perfume,watches, DVDs etc. Now sellers are opening their jackets and offering meat, cheese and household essentials.

It's just people surviving. Scraps compared to what the big boys steal,  and they even give each other directorships, certificates,medals and peerages for their services to each other.

"Laws are like spiders' webs, they catch the small insects but the bigger bugs sail straight through" . That's from memory,it's not quite accurate but you get my gist.

I was born in the 70s, the youngest of 8 siblings in a working class family, I know exactly what it's like to be dirt poor but we never had to shoplift or thieve to get by no matter how hard times were, my ole fella would of give us the hiding of our lives if he had of caught any of us robbing other folks stuff, you can be skint and still have pride and morals. 

I just can't abide folks that think they can help themselves to stuff that doesn't belong to them whether it's politicians or the local scumbag. 

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23 hours ago, jukel123 said:

I was reading yesterday that Blair accepted £ 100000 from an anti organisation, LACS I think, which helped Labour win the election. Part of the deal was that he agreed to push though the hunting with dogs ban. He says he now regrets it. Cheers mate! We forgive you, just like the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis who were wiped out partly on the basis of a lie and a dodgy dossier.

But the reality is that the country is  now governed this way. Policies are decided  by he who pays the piper. And many tory contributers are foreigners. What are they getting in return?  Or more like it what haven't they had? Virtually all our national,assets have been flogged. Is this democracy? Did we give permission? 

Starmer is doing a Blair, wooing the press to go easy on him and holding his hand out to  big business for funding. What will the benefactors get in return for their generosity? Answer. Just the same goodies.

What will we get whichever party wins? Fook all. This is not democracy its Hobson's choice. Which is no choice at all. Its rule by massive, global corporations.

Just another jolly thought for the day Mack.

The LACS were pissed off with him were they not? I try to avoid politics as much as is possible but sure the deal was that his government would ban ALL hunting with dogs by 2000.? They fell short by a country mile. f****d us of course but there was not, and still is not, a ban on ALL hunting with dogs in the UK. 

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6 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

No, an elected upper chamber could then claim to have a mandate from the voters and set themselves up in direct opposition to the elected commons.

We have an elected “second chamber” , it’s the opposition parties. If they don’t have the numbers it’s because the voters thought, rightly or wrongly, that the party in power would stick by the manifesto they were voted in on !

As Churchill said “ British democracy is the least worst of all the other forms of government “ or words to that effect.

Labour wants to abolish the House of Lords, but continues to pack them in, such luminaries as Baroness Chackrabati and the Tories at no better with Baroness Warsi, and of course the newly ennobled Baron Cameron of Chipping Norton!

A pox on both their houses ……

Cheers.

Not forgetting that 29 year old temp with the large mammary glands and blonde hair whom Johnson felt fit to enoble for services rendered.

 What continually shocks me is the lack of shame these people have. If I did a fraction of what these people do I would never show my face in public again. Brass necked feckers

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14 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I take back what I said mate. Sometimes my sense of solidarity gets mixed up.

No worries mate thing is the coppers knew who it was who threatened her and did sweet feck all not even arresting him unlike this individual I remember when I was on strike in 84/85 

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2 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Not forgetting that 29 year old temp with the large mammary glands and blonde hair whom Johnson felt fit to enoble for services rendered.

 What continually shocks me is the lack of shame these people have. If I did a fraction of what these people do I would never show my face in public again. Brass necked feckers

It’s the same with knighthoods; That gay Tory with the wig that looks like it’s come off Worzell Gumidge and that bent b*****d in Labour who posted pics of himself in his y fronts on a gay web site.

What have they done to deserve such an honour ! I guess they both have “little black books”…

Cheers.

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19 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

OK I said that. My mistake.

I stand by what I said. The big problem we have, imo, is that the super rich decide their own rules. Amazon and Trump and others pay f**k all. Even the late queen ploughed her wealth into foreign tax havens thereby depriving her 'subjects' of cash. Yet Joe Public is screwed for every penny.

I know we differ on tax revenue, no point in digging up that one. It usually ends with you calling me a Marxist. Or worse.Lol. Just for the record I believe in  capitalism, I'm a big supporter. But there is a an 'unacceptable face of capitalism' which includes tax avoidance and the Malones of this world. You call that jealousy. I disagree.

I can agree to disagree with you on tax etc mate, my point was, you can’t complain politicians are nicking public money when you advocate for them to be nicking public money…..I’d argue if they didn’t have as much to fritter away to their pals or whoever then they couldn’t do it in such gargantuan amounts and if they had none they couldn’t do it at all. 

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52 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

 that bent b*****d in Labour who posted pics of himself in his y fronts on a gay web site.

 

My elected representative Chris Bryant, dirty snivelling little c@nt