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8 minutes ago, WILF said:

Because the family isn’t supported or valued…..I’ll explain.

You probably have a couple of kids, years ago you’d have had 4…..or maybe more……mum would have stayed at home and brought them up, you’d have gone to work.

But now, two people have to work and they can’t afford more than a couple of kids…..no break in the tax system for it, child care costs, tax here, tax there, credit, credit, credit everyone has been actively corralled into……they don’t give a f**k if you have kids, they want you paying over the product of your Labour to the state and its corporate banking bosses….if they need more people, f**k it, let’s just import them ! 
 

Better to import them and keep you paying !

That’s why there is below replacement birth rates….because you and your blood don’t f***ing matter mate. 

Absolutely spot on can’t wait to see how he picks that apart never a truer word spoken

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11 hours ago, WILF said:

Because the family isn’t supported or valued…..I’ll explain.

You probably have a couple of kids, years ago you’d have had 4…..or maybe more……mum would have stayed at home and brought them up, you’d have gone to work.

But now, two people have to work and they can’t afford more than a couple of kids…..no break in the tax system for it, child care costs, tax here, tax there, credit, credit, credit everyone has been actively corralled into……they don’t give a f**k if you have kids, they want you paying over the product of your Labour to the state and its corporate banking bosses….if they need more people, f**k it, let’s just import them ! 
 

Better to import them and keep you paying !

That’s why there is below replacement birth rates….because you and your blood don’t f***ing matter mate. 

Japan offers child allowances, free schooling and parental leave. If money was the only problem, the birth rate should be recovering not declining.

It's the same in other countries with strong welfare support, it's more of a cultural shift if anything. People are marrying later and are more career driven, by choice, they are not forced.

Even if housing was cheap and childcare was free, not everyone would want to sit at home and look after 4 kids. People want careers, hobbies, travel, etc. Blaming low birth rates on the state is just a convenient cop out when the reality is, people's priorities have shifted.

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3 hours ago, Seagull said:

Japan offers child allowances, free schooling and parental leave. If money was the only problem, the birth rate should be recovering not declining.

It's the same in other countries with strong welfare support, it's more of a cultural shift if anything. People are marrying later and are more career driven, by choice, they are not forced.

Even if housing was cheap and childcare was free, not everyone would want to sit at home and look after 4 kids. People want careers, hobbies, travel, etc. Blaming low birth rates on the state is just a convenient cop out when the reality is, people's priorities have shifted.

I agree they have shifted, what I’m saying is that is a direct result of deliberate policy.

If women had been encouraged to have more children instead of encouraged to have a “career” then they would be having more children.

Imho it’s no accident that this decades old promotion of “the career woman” has gone hand in hand with a shift in what proportion of what takes up a family’s budget, this massive promotion of credit along with fiscal tools that actually force people into credit.

You have been bombarded with this mindset for decades.

Every advert, every TV show, showing you shiny things, showing you the credit card or loan company, showing you the “happy, powerful, career woman”…..it’s been sold to you so much that it’s now accepted thinking. 
 

If in another reality we had done what Orban has done and taken women out of the tax system forever on the birth of their 2nd child, if we had shown you non stop media about how it’s great to be a mum looking after a big family, if we had let you keep most of your wages and never offered you a loan for shiny things so that you just bought them when you could afford them….then you’d be doing that.

You think what you’ve been taught to think ! 

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54 minutes ago, WILF said:

I agree they have shifted, what I’m saying is that is a direct result of deliberate policy.

If women had been encouraged to have more children instead of encouraged to have a “career” then they would be having more children.

Imho it’s no accident that this decades old promotion of “the career woman” has gone hand in hand with a shift in what proportion of what takes up a family’s budget, this massive promotion of credit along with fiscal tools that actually force people into credit.

You have been bombarded with this mindset for decades.

Every advert, every TV show, showing you shiny things, showing you the credit card or loan company, showing you the “happy, powerful, career woman”…..it’s been sold to you so much that it’s now accepted thinking. 
 

If in another reality we had done what Orban has done and taken women out of the tax system forever on the birth of their 2nd child, if we had shown you non stop media about how it’s great to be a mum looking after a big family, if we had let you keep most of your wages and never offered you a loan for shiny things so that you just bought them when you could afford them….then you’d be doing that.

You think what you’ve been taught to think ! 

Only last year I was in the Westfield in Stratford with my wife and couldn’t get over all the youngsters in the shops buying £600 puffy coats then we were having a coffee and she said to me look up the middle aisles of the shops the bank are actually set up there at kiosk things selling people the credit outside the shops. I’m sure everyone remembers years ago on the estate there was always the family that always had the loan men knocking and they were nearly frowned upon because of it. Now it’s all normalised and the loan sharks have become respectable men who work in the bank pack of c**ts in my opinion selling people dreams and an image. And on the women working I know when I was married it would of been an embarrassment if my woman would of had to work there was no way it would happen 

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16 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

Only last year I was in the Westfield in Stratford with my wife and couldn’t get over all the youngsters in the shops buying £600 puffy coats then we were having a coffee and she said to me look up the middle aisles of the shops the bank are actually set up there at kiosk things selling people the credit outside the shops. I’m sure everyone remembers years ago on the estate there was always the family that always had the loan men knocking and they were nearly frowned upon because of it. Now it’s all normalised and the loan sharks have become respectable men who work in the bank pack of c**ts in my opinion selling people dreams and an image. And on the women working I know when I was married it would of been an embarrassment if my woman would of had to work there was no way it would happen 

Don’t get me wrong mate, I think women have always worked and I don’t have a problem with it at all.

But the difference was, the family unit was stronger, the older ones looked after the younger ones, maybe the grandparents were looked after within the family home so they kept and eye, it was “pin” money as they used to call it rather than “ship the kids off to the childminders and get on a train every morning for the next 40 years and see the kids in the weekend” 

I wanted my wife to be able to be a mum, I was lucky in that my wife could take my kids to our little showroom while I was out and about…..but you’d be amazed at the mixed reaction we got, some people thought it was wonderful we just brought the kids along to work but others used to give my wife very dirty looks, pass comments etc…..f**k em, I loved having my kids with us all the time.

The family unit mate……f**k that was considered bizarre even 23 years ago and it’s was a hard thing to manage because you are going against every grain in every possible way……the system wasn’t designed for me to do that. 
 

But both my nans raised family’s of 8 & 9 respectively, one had a shop and everyone just mucked in together……they don’t want that now, they want you as a number on a spreadsheet, an individual, isolated and just punching the card until you die.

We all know, none of this is a “choice”, it’s deliberate engineering. 
 

A strong people have strong connections, they don’t want that.

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4 hours ago, WILF said:

Don’t get me wrong mate, I think women have always worked and I don’t have a problem with it at all.

But the difference was, the family unit was stronger, the older ones looked after the younger ones, maybe the grandparents were looked after within the family home so they kept and eye, it was “pin” money as they used to call it rather than “ship the kids off to the childminders and get on a train every morning for the next 40 years and see the kids in the weekend” 

I wanted my wife to be able to be a mum, I was lucky in that my wife could take my kids to our little showroom while I was out and about…..but you’d be amazed at the mixed reaction we got, some people thought it was wonderful we just brought the kids along to work but others used to give my wife very dirty looks, pass comments etc…..f**k em, I loved having my kids with us all the time.

The family unit mate……f**k that was considered bizarre even 23 years ago and it’s was a hard thing to manage because you are going against every grain in every possible way……the system wasn’t designed for me to do that. 
 

But both my nans raised family’s of 8 & 9 respectively, one had a shop and everyone just mucked in together……they don’t want that now, they want you as a number on a spreadsheet, an individual, isolated and just punching the card until you die.

We all know, none of this is a “choice”, it’s deliberate engineering. 
 

A strong people have strong connections, they don’t want that.

Yeah look times have changed I don’t want to insult anyone who has a wife with a job. But I agree 100% what you say about strong people having strong connections it frightens the hell out of governments at the thought people will look out for one another and call out injustice and not stand for seeing their neighbour/families being done wrong. Look at what happened in Dublin in the 80s when the communities came out to drive the heroin dealers from the estates the gardai locked them up. Scum always have been and always will be 

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4 minutes ago, Halfhound said:

Yeah look times have changed I don’t want to insult anyone who has a wife with a job. But I agree 100% what you say about strong people having strong connections it frightens the hell out of governments at the thought people will look out for one another and call out injustice and not stand for seeing their neighbour/families being done wrong. Look at what happened in Dublin in the 80s when the communities came out to drive the heroin dealers from the estates the gardai locked them up. Scum always have been and always will be 

I’m sure nobody is insulted mate, we all understand we all have our own way we want to crack on 👍

 

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