Pardus 1,610 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 minute ago, TRUEBRIT66 said: In some peoples world forget what your seeing and how its effecting you unless its a study on paper its not true. Not at all, I could offer to paint someone's house for half the price of the next man and secure the job, I'm an outlier though and more fool me, doesn't mean everyone will follow suit. But that's not the same as PAYE employment, I don't get to dictate the wages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bendigo 775 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 9 hours ago, Pardus said: No, you are the silly c**t for just thinking you can click your fingers, make them vanish and all will be fine and dandy, how's about come out of fantasy land and snap back in to reality? Whilst you're at it, the hundreds and thousands of carer vacancies, why haven't they been filled and how do you propose we fill them? And we agree on something, but we have voted these people in and do you think your hero Farage will be any different, he's already backtracking when pressed on some of the issues I've mentioned, what are you going to say when carers and nurses aren't included in those who may eventually get deported? I at no point said we could click our fingers or make them disappear. We are in this position because of the ruling establishment and self serving incompetent politicians of all parties. My point is it's wrong. We as a nation are going to go through difficult times if we are to ever put numerous issues right. At the minute we are solving issues short term. Dealing with any issue by immigration is like signing up to a pyramid scheme, it might get the minister at the time through until he can draw his lifetime pension but when your mum is on end of life care and it's a big African man looking after her, sat reading while your mum cries out in pain.....and this is happening on a daily basis. My wife and her staff have seen and are seeing things like this regularly and it's disgusting. As usual the lefties and argumentive will ask if I'll only be seen by white medical staff.... don't be stupid, of course we will see foreign doctors and nurses, we have no choice.... again not angry at them, we should be angry at the politicians that got us to this place and the empty headed lefties that think we should be happy and thankful for the situation. Remove all tuition fees for medical degrees and courses. Cut the vast amounts of waste in the NHS. Deport all illegal immigrants in houses and hotels and spend the money on training staff. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,610 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Bendigo said: Remove all tuition fees for medical degrees and courses. Cut the vast amounts of waste in the NHS. Deport all illegal immigrants in houses and hotels and spend the money on training staff. Have you calculated any figures and taken in to account any timescales? And I agree, all "illegal migrants" should be deported wether that means we break lasting treaties and upset our neighbours but I proper plan needs to be put in place. But illegals are only a drop in the ocean, what about our reliance on legal migrants, migrants that are part of the workforce? You want them all out, so how do you propose we fill the void rapidly if we follow your plans? Around 19% of NHS workers are from overseas and they make up around 32% of social care workers, and we have over hundred thousand unfilled vacancies, why aren't these positions being taken by Brits? Who's going to look after your mum who's crying out in pain and needs care now?!? It's all good and well dreaming about your utopia, how are you going to prevent our services grinding to a halt after the exodus? Edited May 15 by Pardus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 31,408 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 15 minutes ago, Bendigo said: I at no point said we could click our fingers or make them disappear. We are in this position because of the ruling establishment and self serving incompetent politicians of all parties. My point is it's wrong. We as a nation are going to go through difficult times if we are to ever put numerous issues right. At the minute we are solving issues short term. Dealing with any issue by immigration is like signing up to a pyramid scheme, it might get the minister at the time through until he can draw his lifetime pension but when your mum is on end of life care and it's a big African man looking after her, sat reading while your mum cries out in pain.....and this is happening on a daily basis. My wife and her staff have seen and are seeing things like this regularly and it's disgusting. As usual the lefties and argumentive will ask if I'll only be seen by white medical staff.... don't be stupid, of course we will see foreign doctors and nurses, we have no choice.... again not angry at them, we should be angry at the politicians that got us to this place and the empty headed lefties that think we should be happy and thankful for the situation. Remove all tuition fees for medical degrees and courses. Cut the vast amounts of waste in the NHS. Deport all illegal immigrants in houses and hotels and spend the money on training staff. Mate look at the thread your arguing with the village idiot that married into immigration and would argue night is day to defend it and the sites first dementia case better things happening in the hedgerow 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,610 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 minute ago, Greyman said: Mate look at the thread your arguing with the village idiot that married into immigration and would argue night is day to defend it and the sites first dementia case better things happening in the hedgerow Of course, despite being a burden on society you should be thankful that us Brits have tolerated the stay of undesirables like the Romani community in which you come from. Centuries of settlement doesn't change the fact that a dog born in a stable is not a horse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRUEBRIT66 2,084 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 9 minutes ago, Pardus said: Not at all, I could offer to paint someone's house for half the price of the next man and secure the job, I'm an outlier though and more fool me, doesn't mean everyone will follow suit. But that's not the same as PAYE employment, I don't get to dictate the wages. If your going to debate sensibly then I will respond. Of course we all want the best price we can get but that's a different thing from what we are discussing. As a individual you wouldn't do a job for less than what you would consider it to be worth doing as your standard of living is going to be higher of that than someone who is living in squaller in a 2 bed house with 4 other people. If people can afford to work for lower wages because their standards aren't as high as the indigenous population then sooner or later the indigenous population will be adversely effected. Here's an example regarding PAYE. Waitrose used to pay their staff on a annual assessment basis for hourly rate based on service etc. The minimum wage came in and those on higher than minimum had their increases frozen until everyone is on the same, minimum wage. Now a great deal of those original indigenous staff cant afford to work on minimum wage as they have a higher standard of living than someone that has just arrived in this country from a 3rd world shithole. Waitrose staff are now becoming more "diverse" and as their standards are not as high and we have the roundabout scenario. I really cant see how anyone can say that's a benefit to this country. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRUEBRIT66 2,084 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 minute ago, TRUEBRIT66 said: If your going to debate sensibly then I will respond. Of course we all want the best price we can get but that's a different thing from what we are discussing. As a individual you wouldn't do a job for less than what you would consider it to be worth doing as your standard of living is going to be higher of that than someone who is living in squaller in a 2 bed house with 4 other people. If people can afford to work for lower wages because their standards aren't as high as the indigenous population then sooner or later the indigenous population will be adversely effected. Here's an example regarding PAYE. Waitrose used to pay their staff on a annual assessment basis for hourly rate based on service etc. The minimum wage came in and those on higher than minimum had their increases frozen until everyone is on the same, minimum wage. Now a great deal of those original indigenous staff cant afford to work on minimum wage as they have a higher standard of living than someone that has just arrived in this country from a 3rd world shithole. Waitrose staff are now becoming more "diverse" and their standards are not as high and we have the roundabout scenario. I really cant see how anyone can say that's a benefit to this country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bendigo 775 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 27 minutes ago, Pardus said: Have you calculated any figures and taken in to account any timescales? And I agree, all "illegal migrants" should be deported wether that means we break lasting treaties and upset our neighbours but I proper plan needs to be put in place. But illegals are only a drop in the ocean, what about our reliance on legal migrants, migrants that are part of the workforce? You want them all out, so how do you propose we fill the void rapidly if we follow your plans? Around 19% of NHS workers are from overseas and they make up around 32% of social care workers, and we have over hundred thousand unfilled vacancies, why aren't these positions being taken by Brits? Who's going to look after your mum who's crying out in pain and needs care now?!? It's all good and well dreaming about your utopia, how are you going to prevent our services grinding to a halt after the exodus? At no point did I say 'i want them all out'. Nobody is suggesting what you are saying they are. Where we are is wrong and can't be defended. As others have said it's pointless trying to discuss with you. There are lots of issues that need addressing, it's going to be hard. The longer we pretend that importing the 3rd world offers long term solutions the better 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,610 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 Just now, Bendigo said: At no point did I say 'i want them all out'. Nobody is suggesting what you are saying they are. Where we are is wrong and can't be defended. As others have said it's pointless trying to discuss with you. There are lots of issues that need addressing, it's going to be hard. The longer we pretend that importing the 3rd world offers long term solutions the better Yes you have, you label illegal and legal immigrants from 3rd world regions as one and the same. Come on with that cop out. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,610 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 10 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said: If your going to debate sensibly then I will respond. Of course we all want the best price we can get but that's a different thing from what we are discussing. As a individual you wouldn't do a job for less than what you would consider it to be worth doing as your standard of living is going to be higher of that than someone who is living in squaller in a 2 bed house with 4 other people. If people can afford to work for lower wages because their standards aren't as high as the indigenous population then sooner or later the indigenous population will be adversely effected. Here's an example regarding PAYE. Waitrose used to pay their staff on a annual assessment basis for hourly rate based on service etc. The minimum wage came in and those on higher than minimum had their increases frozen until everyone is on the same, minimum wage. Now a great deal of those original indigenous staff cant afford to work on minimum wage as they have a higher standard of living than someone that has just arrived in this country from a 3rd world shithole. Waitrose staff are now becoming more "diverse" and as their standards are not as high and we have the roundabout scenario. I really cant see how anyone can say that's a benefit to this country. Wages are primarily set by market, not nationality or living standards. As for Waitrose, the example is flawed. The issue there is company policy, not immigration. The change in pay structure is a management decision, not a consequence of immigration. The minimum wage is there to protect low-paid workers, which includes the indigenous population. If long term staff saw pay freezes, that's down to management in a reaction to the minimum wage introduction, not because migrants were willing to work for less, you're failing to understand cause & effect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iworkwhippets 13,144 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 29 minutes ago, Pardus said: Of course, despite being a burden on society you should be thankful that us Brits have tolerated the stay of undesirables like the Romani community in which you come from. Centuries of settlement doesn't change the fact that a dog born in a stable is not a horse. Yes I agree whole heartedly with that, and whilst I'm here , I was born in an underground Andersen shelter.if that's of any use to anyone. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TRUEBRIT66 2,084 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 1 minute ago, Pardus said: Wages are primarily set by market, not nationality or living standards. As for Waitrose, the example is flawed. The issue there is company policy, not immigration. The change in pay structure is a management decision, not a consequence of immigration. The minimum wage is there to protect low-paid workers, which includes the indigenous population. If long term staff saw pay freezes, that's down to management in a reaction to the minimum wage introduction, not because migrants were willing to work for less, you're failing to understand cause & effect. The cause is people with lower standards able to work for less, the effect is the indigenous population suffer. The Government implemented policies knowing what the outcome would be, in this case Waitrose took advantage of that and the consequences are showing themselves. Its pointless debating its not effecting you so you don't see it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iworkwhippets 13,144 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 34 minutes ago, Bendigo said: At no point did I say 'i want them all out'. Nobody is suggesting what you are saying they are. Where we are is wrong and can't be defended. As others have said it's pointless trying to discuss with you. There are lots of issues that need addressing, it's going to be hard. The longer we pretend that importing the 3rd world offers long term solutions the better Deport all illegal immigrants you say,, bend it like Beckham my backside, bend it like Bendigo more like, and , and once again, week after week, month after month , year after year , all your complaints and moans stop here, in a dog forum, Wrong get yourselves outside into the real world with ya moans, God help you,,,, right I'm.in the.throws of doing my exercises, I'm rocking missen to n.fro get out my pit 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pardus 1,610 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 (edited) 40 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said: The cause is people with lower standards able to work for less, the effect is the indigenous population suffer. The Government implemented policies knowing what the outcome would be, in this case Waitrose took advantage of that and the consequences are showing themselves. Its pointless debating its not effecting you so you don't see it. No, the cause was company policy introduced after the minimum wage legislation was put in place. What do you mean I don't see it? I live on the outskirts of Doncaster, not too far away in the centre there is a rich 3rd world community. You'd mistake it for Kabul if you drove through it. In the village I grew up, around 10 mins from where I currently live, there's more Turkish barbers than trees. FB is full of those jumping on the bandwagon, "Get em all out!" Guess where they all go before a sesh around the village or town, you guessed it, to Ali Baba's for a beard trim, you can't write it. Edited May 15 by Pardus 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bendigo 775 Posted May 15 Report Share Posted May 15 16 hours ago, Pardus said: Those are the questions that nobody, even Farage can't answer. You want all immigrants gone, fine, now how do you suggest we manage when we suffer massive labour shortages. You really are a sad argumentative piss stain. Your right mate. Let em all in and remove none. Dickhead 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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