Welsh_red 4,996 Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 15 minutes ago, Seagull said: No seriously, I can't actually believe you are a believer when all you're going off his fallible accounts of strangers off the net, stumps me that does. Their is a whole world of people outside of the forum you know My dad seen one when I was younger . And not long after a local primary headmaster seen one while fishing if I remember correctly Funnily enough I know my dad quite well , grew up with him in fact . I will take his word 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 300 Posted July 16 Report Share Posted July 16 1 minute ago, Welsh_red said: Their is a whole world of people outside of the forum you know My dad seen one when I was younger . And not long after a local primary headmaster seen one while fishing if I remember correctly Funnily enough I know my dad quite well , grew up with him in fact . I will take his word Good for you mate, so your dad and your teacher have seen it, clearly not that elusive then? As for all these cases of masses of people releasing them in panic, is there any truth to these tales or is it just a hunch, people assuming, I genuinely would like to know? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh_red 4,996 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 7 hours ago, Seagull said: Good for you mate, so your dad and your teacher have seen it, clearly not that elusive then? As for all these cases of masses of people releasing them in panic, is there any truth to these tales or is it just a hunch, people assuming, I genuinely would like to know? I dont know , I wasn't alive when that was supposed to have happened . Im also not a expert or someone like greyman who has spent a lot of time researching and speaking to people I do know my father tho but wasn't there when he seen it as I was very young , probably early to mid 1990s Then at a later date which i can remember this happened BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Tests on DNA after 'big cat' killing NEWS.BBC.CO.UK I cant attest the validity of this because I dont know the people involved . This was all within a 10 miile round radius of me Countryside around the uk varies widely so does the surrounding population type . I dont know the rest of the uk and how many trail cams are everywhere and how open wild places are . I do know my area tho and their is great areas where nothing happens but local farmers going about their business . 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 300 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 12 minutes ago, Welsh_red said: I dont know , I wasn't alive when that was supposed to have happened . Im also not a expert or someone like greyman who has spent a lot of time researching and speaking to people I do know my father tho but wasn't there when he seen it as I was very young , probably early to mid 1990s Then at a later date which i can remember this happened BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Tests on DNA after 'big cat' killing NEWS.BBC.CO.UK I cant attest the validity of this because I dont know the people involved . This was all within a 10 miile round radius of me Countryside around the uk varies widely so does the surrounding population type . I dont know the rest of the uk and how many trail cams are everywhere and how open wild places are . I do know my area tho and their is great areas where nothing happens but local farmers going about their business . We are just going around in circles tbh. I've always maintained that over the years it's possible there's been the odd escapee here and there, but it's quite the leap to suggest there's a breeding population in the hundreds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh_red 4,996 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 2 minutes ago, Seagull said: We are just going around in circles tbh. I've always maintained that over the years it's possible there's been the odd escapee here and there, but it's quite the leap to suggest there's a breeding population in the hundreds. I have no information about breeding populations for you And your right we have been going round in circles for years on this thread . Mainly because of all the bickering on here sadly I dont know what to tell you about breeding pairs honestly . Your fixated on the 100s numbers tho . I couldn't give a shit about the number estimate in all honestly . If theirs even 5 It would be ground breaking. You see the number 100s and fixate on that like its the smoking gun to prove that their all liers and bullshitters . At some time the stars will align and hopefully I will have the opportunity to meet up with greyman and discuss it all . I do know one thing he will be infinitely more interesting than the majority of people I meet during the course of a normal day 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 300 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 7 minutes ago, Welsh_red said: I have no information about breeding populations for you And your right we have been going round in circles for years on this thread . Mainly because of all the bickering on here sadly I dont know what to tell you about breeding pairs honestly . Your fixated on the 100s numbers tho . I couldn't give a shit about the number estimate in all honestly . If theirs even 5 It would be ground breaking. You see the number 100s and fixate on that like its the smoking gun to prove that their all liers and bullshitters . At some time the stars will align and hopefully I will have the opportunity to meet up with greyman and discuss it all . I do know one thing he will be infinitely more interesting than the majority of people I meet during the course of a normal day I don't think you understand how breeding works, do you think given the availability of prey throughout the UK and the fact that they have zero competition, the population would stay static and not explode, of course it wouldn't, not forgetting the fact that a tiny population would collapse due to inbreeding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 300 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 And it's not me who's making claims of a population in the hundreds, it's our big cat expert Rick Minter who made these claims. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh_red 4,996 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 3 minutes ago, Seagull said: And it's not me who's making claims of a population in the hundreds, it's our big cat expert Rick Minter who made these claims. I know its not you making the claims and that its Minter Hes not on here posting tho so you probably won't get a answer as to why he thinks that amount I dont think greyman being involved with him discredits greyman either tbh . Their both interested in the same thing Ive been involved with people before that have claimed things im nit sure about . Played football with a guy that reckons he was as fast as theo Walcott when he was kid . f**k knows if its true or not but his adult frame didnt give off the sprinter vibe 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Welsh_red 4,996 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 9 minutes ago, Seagull said: I don't think you understand how breeding works, do you think given the availability of prey throughout the UK and the fact that they have zero competition, the population would stay static and not explode, of course it wouldn't, not forgetting the fact that a tiny population would collapse due to inbreeding. No idea, I would defer to the actual experts in animal matters about such things Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 300 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 9 minutes ago, Welsh_red said: No idea, I would defer to the actual experts in animal matters about such things The population size of predators is directly tied to the abundance of prey, it's not even a debate, and the fact that they have zero competition is even more damning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 300 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 23 minutes ago, Welsh_red said: I know its not you making the claims and that its Minter Hes not on here posting tho so you probably won't get a answer as to why he thinks that amount I dont think greyman being involved with him discredits greyman either tbh . Their both interested in the same thing Ive been involved with people before that have claimed things im nit sure about . Played football with a guy that reckons he was as fast as theo Walcott when he was kid . f**k knows if its true or not but his adult frame didnt give off the sprinter vibe We've had them on here, our Wilf claimed he ran the 100mtrs in 11 secs at 11 year old. Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 31,239 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 9 hours ago, Seagull said: I've just asked it and it laughed at me when I asked about the existence of a breeding population of UK big cats. No seriously, I can't actually believe you are a believer when all you're going off his fallible accounts of strangers off the net, stumps me that does. We don’t just live on the net you plank many of us have been outside and met real people that have told us credible tales and shown us real pics if you ever get out in the countryside with that poor puppy scotty was stupid enough to let you have the same could happen to you but as it’s took you 40 years to get beyond the park with the shitting machine you might be a little behind most of us as usual 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 300 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Greyman said: We don’t just live on the net you plank many of us have been outside and met real people that have told us credible tales and shown us real pics if you ever get out in the countryside with that poor puppy scotty was stupid enough to let you have the same could happen to you but as it’s took you 40 years to get beyond the park with the shitting machine you might be a little behind most of us as usual You are getting exposed and are reverting to type with your petulant insults. It's becoming more clear to everyone on here that you are a fraudster, a man with such a sad existence he has to make up lies just so people shows an interest in him. You can't debate me because you know I snooker you every single time, case closed. Edited July 17 by Seagull Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Seagull 300 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 (edited) Elementary stuff really, given the vast abundance of prey, the big cat population would have exploded, trouble is, we have no evidence of it. We can't have our cake and eat it, either we go along with the idea of the odd escapee over the years or we go along with a healthy population of big cats. Given the scant evidence the more likely theory is the former, but the fact that we have sightings in the here and now is a contradiction, unless people are constantly releasing animals in to the wild to this day. Predators and prey - How are populations affected by conditions in an ecosystem? - GCSE Biology (Single Science) Revision - OCR 21st Century - BBC Bitesize https://share.google/xKi3miY3IgxGN26HK Edited July 17 by Seagull Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 31,239 Posted July 17 Report Share Posted July 17 22 minutes ago, Seagull said: You are getting exposed and are reverting to type with your petulant insults. It's becoming more clear to everyone on here that you are a fraudster, a man with such a sad existence he has to make up lies just so people shows an interest in him. You can't debate me because you know I snooker you every single time, case closed. It’s not a case of me trying to snooker you I’m grown up you prick to expose me you have to come and meet me but as with the last big bad man on here to do it your arse fell out indicating that only one of us is a fraud and hiding stuff and it’s clear for all to see so rather than waste anymore of my life your going back on ignore because you bore the shit out of me you silly little boy by 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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