Jon

[Born Hunter 17,910]

39 minutes ago, Francie said:

Quote from evoloution news,are you disputing this then born?

I'm not, cyclic models are a competing theory to inflation models. But you realise we are talking about the first 0.000000000000000000000000000000001 s of the Universes life/cycle right? The proposed inflationary period. That's when inflation is considered to have ended and it is what the physics was before that time which is being argued over.

Far as I can tell they all agree the universe expanded after that and still is.

And it still has absolutely nothing to do with biology.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Born Hunter

[Born Hunter 17,910]

1 hour ago, Astanley said:

So what your saying is ...Mowbray will get promotion ...or did I read it wrong ?

I had to google that, it's such a non entity. 

[Lenmcharristar 10,289]

If the big bang created then why do galaxies and dust and planets spin in a flat plane around the centre? Why are the planets not spinning in a polar north south direction around their stars whilst others spin in flatter planes? 

2 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

I'm not, cyclic models are a competing theory to inflation models. But you realise we are talking about the first 0.000000000000000000000000000000001 s of the Universes life/cycle right? The proposed inflationary period. That's when inflation is considered to have ended and it is what the physics was before that time which is being argued over.

Far as I can tell they all agree the universe expanded after that and still is.

And it still has absolutely nothing to do with biology.

If inflation is considered to have ended then the universe cant have been more than 186000000 from centre unless traveling faster than light? So why did it not contract back in on itself? Surely the weight or mass of a single galaxy alone would be enough to collapse in on itself? Are their currents like air/water currents in the fabric of space itself which then concentrates the particles of dust into a spinning motion? Equally what do black holes contract too? Or where does the matter go that they suck in? All very fascinating indeed

[WILF 50,122]

21 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

If the big bang created then why do galaxies and dust and planets spin in a flat plane around the centre? Why are the planets not spinning in a polar north south direction around their stars whilst others spin in flatter planes? 

If inflation is considered to have ended then the universe cant have been more than 186000000 from centre unless traveling faster than light? So why did it not contract back in on itself? Surely the weight or mass of a single galaxy alone would be enough to collapse in on itself? Are their currents like air/water currents in the fabric of space itself which then concentrates the particles of dust into a spinning motion? Equally what do black holes contract too? Or where does the matter go that they suck in? All very fascinating indeed

Yeah…..what he said ! Lol 

[Born Hunter 17,910]

14 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

If the big bang created then why do galaxies and dust and planets spin in a flat plane around the centre? Why are the planets not spinning in a polar north south direction around their stars whilst others spin in flatter planes? 

If I understand you right, you're asking why do the galaxies not behave similar to what we are told the universe does. The universe isn't like a mass of galaxies, like a galaxy is a mass of stars. It's a different model to the star system, galaxies etc we know to exist within the universe.

16 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

If inflation is considered to have ended then the universe cant have been more than 186000000 from centre unless traveling faster than light? So why did it not contract back in on itself?

Inflation ended, but expansion didn't end. Inflation is just a very specific and short period after the big bang that is defined by certain phenomena. After that the universe continued to expand but behaved a bit differently to what it did initially. 

17 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Are their currents like air/water currents in the fabric of space itself which then concentrates the particles of dust into a spinning motion?

Dunno, there is solar wind, but it's a star system scale phenomena that I expect would dissipate to nothing meaningful at the galactic and above distance scales.

19 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Equally what do black holes contract too? Or where does the matter go that they suck in? All very fascinating indeed

Black holes aren't contracting as far as I'm aware. A star collapses/contracts to form a black hole but then it stabilises. No one really has anything beyond speculation as to what happens the other side of a black holes event horizon. They do piss out radiation, but not sure if that actually comes from beyond the event horizon.

[WILF 50,122]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

If I understand you right, you're asking why do the galaxies not behave similar to what we are told the universe does. The universe isn't like a mass of galaxies, like a galaxy is a mass of stars. It's a different model to the star system, galaxies etc we know to exist within the universe.

Inflation ended, but expansion didn't end. Inflation is just a very specific and short period after the big bang that is defined by certain phenomena. After that the universe continued to expand but behaved a bit differently to what it did initially. 

Dunno, there is solar wind, but it's a star system scale phenomena that I expect would dissipate to nothing meaningful at the galactic and above distance scales.

Black holes aren't contracting as far as I'm aware. A star collapses/contracts to form a black hole but then it stabilises. No one really has anything beyond speculation as to what happens the other side of a black holes event horizon. They do piss out radiation, but not sure if that actually comes from beyond the event horizon.

Beat me too it ! Lol  

[Born Hunter 17,910]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

Beat me too it ! Lol  

I expected I did. In fact, my first thought was "I must beat Wilf to this!".

[chartpolski 27,907]

6 minutes ago, WILF said:

Beat me too it ! Lol  

Don't worry Wilf, our resident astrophysicist will be along shortly to educate us, we are bound to have a few !

We must have a budding Rajesh Kootraphali........we have everything else !

Cheers.

[Jonjon79 13,358]

7 hours ago, Francie said:

Just seen there what you were talking about regarding the new info from the satellite,it's saying the universe is not expanding lol

Was reading a few crackers last night from 'evolutionary biologists' there in meltdown over it,crying about how there lifes work could be founded on a lie.

In reality they shouldn't be because that's what science is all about,but they made it dogmatic an tryed to use it as a worldview instead on a theory.

Quality jon

You've started something now mate - I got lost less than halfway down the first page

 

It's interesting stuff, most definitely but, I do need it dumbed down a bit - I can't get my head round all of the physics. 

 

I like the bite sized info that they put out about what the JWST has found lately, like the water world that they reckon they've found and, the farthest star that they've ever seen and, the new images of Jupiter.

 ......... I think there will be some really good discoveries in the next few years

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

What you feckers need is a job ffs .Too tired to troll the net for shite that’s out me hands after a days graft .Second wind after tea and a look out .What more can there possibly be to life .This is why we have religion ,cults and 101 genders ,too much time on their hands for thinking up shite .

[Lenmcharristar 10,289]

21 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

If I understand you right, you're asking why do the galaxies not behave similar to what we are told the universe does. The universe isn't like a mass of galaxies, like a galaxy is a mass of stars. It's a different model to the star system, galaxies etc we know to exist within the universe.

Inflation ended, but expansion didn't end. Inflation is just a very specific and short period after the big bang that is defined by certain phenomena. After that the universe continued to expand but behaved a bit differently to what it did initially. 

Dunno, there is solar wind, but it's a star system scale phenomena that I expect would dissipate to nothing meaningful at the galactic and above distance scales.

Black holes aren't contracting as far as I'm aware. A star collapses/contracts to form a black hole but then it stabilises. No one really has anything beyond speculation as to what happens the other side of a black holes event horizon. They do piss out radiation, but not sure if that actually comes from beyond the event horizon.

Yes you read it right, so what other force is at work to make spinning/orbiting in flat planes be the norm? From the most massive galaxy to the smallest protons and neutrons orbit around aN electron? Surely that shows rhythmic patterns, which looks like theyve Been pre-programmed or created to speak, and if there are multiverses then there will be a universe that it could be just random, solar wind would help create vortices within the solar systems, but what force got galaxies do the same? Maybe viktor sherberger was onto something with his vortices tech

[Lenmcharristar 10,289]

4 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

What you feckers need is a job ffs .Too tired to troll the net for shite that’s out me hands after a days graft .Second wind after tea and a look out .What more can there possibly be to life .This is why we have religion ,cults and 101 genders ,too much time on their hands for thinking up shite .

Lololol we do have jobs, but theres something inside our wiring that questions this stuff or we would still be living in stick a d mud huts in africa if thats where we were supposed to have been created, funny that too, they say we came from africa but then ancient sumerian textx suggest that sumer-iraq-mesopotamia is where modern man/eden was supposed to be, ahhhh God only knows

[Francie 6,368]

4 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

I'm not, cyclic models are a competing theory to inflation models. But you realise we are talking about the first 0.000000000000000000000000000000001 s of the Universes life/cycle right? The proposed inflationary period. That's when inflation is considered to have ended and it is what the physics was before that time which is being argued over.

Far as I can tell they all agree the universe expanded after that and still is.

And it still has absolutely nothing to do with biology.

Goodman born.

So what's the difference in inflation an expanding?

Is evolutionary biology not the same principles as the big bang?

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

6 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Lololol we do have jobs, but theres something inside our wiring that questions this stuff or we would still be living in stick a d mud huts in africa if thats where we were supposed to have been created, funny that too, they say we came from africa but then ancient sumerian textx suggest that sumer-iraq-mesopotamia is where modern man/eden was supposed to be, ahhhh God only knows

The quest for something beyond what is , has been the downfall of mankind Len .Regardless of our ancestry we only ever need what nature provides us to live .The brain wanders when it’s not actively surviving thus leading to cravings of shite beyond our realm .

Just be happy with what we have and strive to better ourselves with what we need .

Beats me why some dreamers go to all that trouble of making up shite based on our ancestors basic needs and twisting it to suit whatever sits the latest fad .

 

[Francie 6,368]

Born can you answer me this cause its doing my nut in lol,What I don't understand is how they can call the big bang science,when it's not testable or observable,its just computer models an belief is it not,it happened billions of years ago?no one can test,observe or replicate it?