Will Boris be gone by tomorrow ?

[VOON 1,317]

26 minutes ago, Francie said:

There should be an equal amount of representatives from each party,an by party I mean normal qualified people,not Eton boys or people born into it.

No hierarchy just a level playing field,everyone has a equal voice so no one party has a hold on the system.

Scrap the tories,libs Labour sinn fein dup,if you want a job in gov you have to sign up to the collective for the country.

Anything that gets decided  should be from the people somehow not the 'party' rep,no majoritys

Might work….but how do you come to a consensus??

[VOON 1,317]

40 minutes ago, Borr said:

I felt immediately better knowing we weren't paying hundreds of meps and associates huge sums to toss it off in Brussels. Undemocratic and unchecked They're bemoaning Boris and his party gate but I'd like to have the inside info on Brussels parties, costs , expenses claimed, hotel and travel costs, hours worked, objectives achieved that have been going on for decades at our expense... 

your still paying them

[chartpolski 27,860]

7 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

EU = The 4th Reich

I remember thinking as I watched a trading block, the European Coal and Steel Community , morph into a political entity, The EU, that it would suit Germany, as it would gain hegemoney over Europe by political and financial means, rather than going to war to take over, as it had failed in that several times !

It would also suit France, as they could be a partner , albeit a junior partner, with Germany and not worry about Germany invading them.

I never saw the advantage to the UK of handing over huge swathes of its sovereignty to an unelected bureaucracy in a foreign country when we were the fourth largest economy in the world, a nuclear power and a permanent member of the UN Security Council.

It just didn't make sense to me, none of the other world powers were giving away their independence and sovereignty.

Cheers.

[Borr 7,808]

3 minutes ago, VOON said:

It was pointed out before before the actual Brexit referendum that there would be issues with GFA.

project fear…. no change in NI…Bla Bla Bla…..

Nobody belittled the U.K. or trying to scupper ye…..Oven ready deal….Boris great boast that he delivered a Brilliant deal for the British people that May couldn’t do…..how’s that scuppering?? 
 

Nobody said your future was less important….just deal with other commitments and agreements in a open, transparent and honourable way….which your government never did…..

it was going pretty ok, till Boris and his sycophants pretty much alienated every party in NI…

Avg household incomes down 2% in U.K. over last  10 years.

France up 10% 

Germany up 19%

I can’t see Northern Ireland being sorted without real Leadership from Downing Street….One Of Suella Braverman’s reasons for reneging from the protocol was a rise in violence in NI, citing a hoax bomb attack on Simon Coveney…..Wait till next week, see what comes of that….

I wonder will Sunak win the leadership battle…..be some craic then….

I've watched multiple videos of EU delegates/country reps openly mocking the UK, which is fine but hardly constructive , and tbh any doubts many had during voting for brexit were washed away by the post brexit behaviour from EU. 

I do think ni has been sidelined, and hopefully current events and financial recovery dealt with gfa will come back into the limelight..

I don't recognise the stats you put up, France's cost of living has sky rocketed, the UK's issue is fuel cost leading to massive inflation, all incomes will have to rise to meet this. 

Suella seems to have some good politics in my eyes, although I'd prefer Ben Wallace over all now. If you've listened to sunaks uncomfortable interviews you can't get past it, Boris was asked how much is a pint of milk , he answered no idea but I can tell you the price of champagne, sunak made the mistake of trying to be one of the plebs , and.peoe were never buying that...like watching ed miliband trying to eat a Greggs pastie

[Borr 7,808]

14 minutes ago, VOON said:

your still paying them

Nope they got paid off, we're paying a load of wankers in London now and subsidising Welsh and Scottish devolved powers ....

[VOON 1,317]

8 minutes ago, Borr said:

Nope they got paid off, we're paying a load of wankers in London now and subsidising Welsh and Scottish devolved powers ....

• £16.4bn (€18.5bn) towards the UK's contribution to the EU budget to December 2020 (after offsetting for the UK rebate);
• £18.2bn (€20.2bn) towards outstanding commitments for projects that have been signed off but not yet paid for by 2020 (The Reste à Liquider ("RAL") from successive Multiannual Financial Frameworks) to be paid up to 2028; and
• £2.5bn (€2.7bn) for other financial liabilities, being an estimate for pension liabilities of €9.5bn offset by other assets totalling €6.8bn.^[27] The payments towards the pension liabilities are estimated to be made until 2064

[Borr 7,808]

Just now, VOON said:

• £16.4bn (€18.5bn) towards the UK's contribution to the EU budget to December 2020 (after offsetting for the UK rebate);
• £18.2bn (€20.2bn) towards outstanding commitments for projects that have been signed off but not yet paid for by 2020 (The Reste à Liquider ("RAL") from successive Multiannual Financial Frameworks) to be paid up to 2028; and
• £2.5bn (€2.7bn) for other financial liabilities, being an estimate for pension liabilities of €9.5bn offset by other assets totalling €6.8bn.^[27] The payments towards the pension liabilities are estimated to be made until 2064

Worth every penny

[VOON 1,317]

1 minute ago, Borr said:

Worth every penny

In your eyes….don’t see any real change for ye…..I just think it’s weakened the U.K. and will cause it’s break up…..

[Borr 7,808]

Just now, VOON said:

In your eyes….don’t see any real change for ye…..I just think it’s weakened the U.K. and will cause it’s break up…..

Well the break up may be inevitable... As you say from my point of view Britain will be in a better place, less bureaucracy, more self reliant , between covid and Putin the west will strengthen and Britain will play it's part in Europe no doubt , but also have it's self... A government that can hopefully be kept in check and deals that can be done efficiently and quickly. I'm happy , be happier still when fuel and energy comes down...

[Nicepix 5,650]

27 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

I remember thinking as I watched a trading block, the European Coal and Steel Community , morph into a political entity, The EU, that it would suit Germany, as it would gain hegemoney over Europe by political and financial means, rather than going to war to take over, as it had failed in that several times !

It would also suit France, as they could be a partner , albeit a junior partner, with Germany and not worry about Germany invading them.

I never saw the advantage to the UK of handing over huge swathes of its sovereignty to an unelected bureaucracy in a foreign country when we were the fourth largest economy in the world, a nuclear power and a permanent member of the UN Security Council.

It just didn't make sense to me, none of the other world powers were giving away their independence and sovereignty.

Cheers.

They didn't really hand over ower in that way. When we joined the EEC there were no political sides to it. All that came later step by step. Each agreement took away a little more sovereignty. The national politicians were grateful that many of the unpopular laws introduced could be blamed on Brussels even though the same laws would have had to be implemented nationally. We sleep walked into it bit by bit. Now the tail is wagging the dog and the European people are increasingly starting to wake up to the reality. If it wasn't for Covid and Ukraine the EU would be at war with itself as national politicians are increasingly fearful of losing domestic support by promoting the EU.

[VOON 1,317]

2 minutes ago, Borr said:

Well the break up may be inevitable... As you say from my point of view Britain will be in a better place, less bureaucracy, more self reliant , between covid and Putin the west will strengthen and Britain will play it's part in Europe no doubt , but also have it's self... A government that can hopefully be kept in check and deals that can be done efficiently and quickly. I'm happy , be happier still when fuel and energy comes down...

Well all down to ye…..can’t blame the EU since last year…..

[Francie 6,368]

45 minutes ago, VOON said:

Might work….but how do you come to a consensus??

Do you mean how do they all agree on something?

[VOON 1,317]

48 minutes ago, Francie said:

Do you mean how do they all agree on something?

Yes

[Francie 6,368]

40 minutes ago, VOON said:

Yes

What about limited proposed bills/statues,each rep can put forward there own an the vote goes to the public not the reps.

I don't know really voon I'm not to clued up on it lol

[VOON 1,317]

7 minutes ago, Francie said:

What about limited proposed bills/statues,each rep can put forward there own an the vote goes to the public not the reps.

I don't know really voon I'm not to clued up on it lol

Lot of Voting….can hardly get people out to vote for General Elections or Referendum’s.

biased voting…..I don’t like whatever so I vote no….

can’t see any equity there Francie….you’ll have to think it through…..