Greyman 31,798 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, Born Hunter said: The class is only lightly armed and nothing in the strike group has the capability of launching ballistic missiles. Frankly ballistic missile defence is a greater concern than being able to launch our own. Nonetheless we are sending a world class carrier strike group on a six month tour to the other side of the planet and frankly there’s only one other nation on earth capable of doing that unilaterally. Although on this deployment and most other there will be allied assets supporting us we retain the capability for a fully sovereign strike group. For the first time in decades it looks like we have a government treating defence seriously. Welcome back aboard, couldn’t resist a bit of military might, hope alls well 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Greyman said: Welcome back aboard, couldn’t resist a bit of military might, hope alls well Cheers. Yeah, I’ve been following the build up to this very closely. I could go on about what all the potential problems are and what else we need but frankly it’s hard not to be somewhat satisfied with the direction of UK defence. Part of the package... Login • Instagram WWW.INSTAGRAM.COM Welcome back to Instagram. Sign in to check out what your friends, family &... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Forget that old slab of steel, boats are old news. Now this is next level shit, Iron Man eat your heart out. I've read they are recruiting experienced flyers, @king time for you to show your worth. Royal Navy tests out jetpack flight https://news.sky.com/video/share-12293238 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king 12,030 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Impressive bit of kit that.. A more relaxed way to fly here foot launch glider.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,337 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 If it’s the nations safety and well being they are concerned about they would have done better using the money for a golden handshake for every single African and other assorted odd marks to f**k off back to their ancestral nations ! Sailing off round the globe in a shiny new boat when they can’t afford to put petrol in the planes meant to fly off it isn’t doing a f***ing thing ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, WILF said: If it’s the nations safety and well being they are concerned about they would have done better using the money for a golden handshake for every single African and other assorted odd marks to f**k off back to their ancestral nations ! Sailing off round the globe in a shiny new boat when they can’t afford to put petrol in the planes meant to fly off it isn’t doing a f***ing thing ! How did 617 land on the ship yesterday then? Glide there? LOL 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,337 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, Born Hunter said: How did 617 land on the ship yesterday then? Glide there? LOL Mate, they have paratroopers doing practice jumps out of the back of trucks because they can’t get the planes off the ground...... Im a massive fan of the military, I’m also hold a place in my heart for Britain’s historical naval power and the power and honour it’s military has delivered us over the years but we have a cancer within while we iron out 9 billion quid on a carrier that’s basically just a massive advert to say “look how patriotic we are” and is never going to be used ! If we want to negate foreign threats, the first port of call should be stop sending trillions to China ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, WILF said: Mate, they have paratroopers doing practice jumps out of the back of trucks because they can’t get the planes off the ground...... Are you on about the Atlas that is to replace the Hercs? I don't think that is a petrol fund issue, it's a certification issue. Either way, neither of those fly from carriers. The carrier air wing has plenty of fuel. Not to mention realistically 16thAA are an air assault brigade these days, combat jumps seem to be little more than keeping up tradition for a capability that just doesn't get used. 2 minutes ago, WILF said: Im a massive fan of the military, I’m also hold a place in my heart for Britain’s historical naval power and the power and honour it’s military has delivered us over the years but we have a cancer within while we iron out 9 billion quid on a carrier that’s basically just a massive advert to say “look how patriotic we are” and is never going to be used ! Completely disagree with this. These carriers are undoubtedly huge diplomatic tools but they are fundamentally tools of war. No one wants to hear me explain the detail of that but claiming they are white elephants is just wrong. 7 minutes ago, WILF said: If we want to negate foreign threats, the first port of call should be stop sending trillions to China ! As you know, I don't disagree with this. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,337 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Are you on about the Atlas that is to replace the Hercs? I don't think that is a petrol fund issue, it's a certification issue. Either way, neither of those fly from carriers. The carrier air wing has plenty of fuel. Not to mention realistically 16thAA are an air assault brigade these days, combat jumps seem to be little more than keeping up tradition for a capability that just doesn't get used. Completely disagree with this. These carriers are undoubtedly huge diplomatic tools but they are fundamentally tools of war. No one wants to hear me explain the detail of that but claiming they are white elephants is just wrong. As you know, I don't disagree with this. Do you think we could use that carrier as a nation in isolation and it not end up at the bottom of the sea in 3 minutes flat mate ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) I'd also add that a lot of countries have looked at the QEC project and have been impressed with the technically advanced end result and the price it was all done for. The yanks are currently reviewing their carrier fleet and are interested in running a dual fleet of QEC size/type carriers along with a reduced fleet of nuclear super carrier. This tour will have an element of 'sales' to it to all nations that are looking at their future carrier strike options. Off the back of the successful Global Combat Ship project it's not an aspect that should just be dismissed. Edited May 3, 2021 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 minute ago, WILF said: Do you think we could use that carrier as a nation in isolation and it not end up at the bottom of the sea in 3 minutes flat mate ? Not sure I understand? If I do understand and you're just saying it's a white elephant again then no it's not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,337 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Not sure I understand? If I do understand and you're just saying it's a white elephant again then no it's not. What I mean is, who will be the enemy for a bit of kit like that ? France ?.......nah Realistically the only people that warrant a bit of kit like that is the US or China. We won’t be going to war against the US that’s for sure. China have a carrier battle group, and if we keep sending them trillions of pounds they will have 5 more probably and that will put us at the bottom of the sea ! China’s ambition is to have all the capability of the United States imho, we won’t cope with that. We have to rely on the US for that kind of muscle, we can’t take on that strength alone. Our armed forces are being reduced to militia numbers as it is. Edited May 3, 2021 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, WILF said: What I mean is, who will be the enemy for a bit of kit like that ? France ?.......nah Realistically the only people that warrant a bit of kit like that is the US or China. We won’t be going to war against the US that’s for sure. China have a carrier battle group, and if we keep sending them trillions of pounds they will have 5 more probably and that will put us at the bottom of the sea ! China’s ambition is to have all the capability of the United States imho, we won’t cope with that. Our armed forces are being reduced to militia numbers as it is. Right, I get ya. Well this comes down to what we as a nation want to be able to do militarily. Most say something like "defend our borders" which is so lacking in detail I can't deal with it. So what do we want to be able to do? Carrier strike is the foundation of true expeditionary capability. Without it we are dependant on allies that have it or conveniently placed ground bases, which can't be guaranteed and which we have to safely get to. What it offers is the ability to deploy serious force anywhere on the planet. And that could take any form up to the very few situations you have highlighted, which in those very serious situations we absolutely would not be doing on our own. As part of an allied effort, facing a foe like China, we would have a specific tasking to a specific part of the world and what we would bring to face what China has in that part of the world would be a serious force. So in that very specific scenario you have highlighted it's anything other than a white elephant. Now for stuff below that threat level.... The Falklands is usually the top of the examples list on this subject. I'd add Sierra Lone, all the shit that went off in the Balkans, continual instability in the ME (let's not get into who's f***ing fault each and every occurrence is).... If we decide we don't want to be in the expeditionary warfare game anymore then we might as well just have a dads army militia. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 Like WILF said though, if we had a dad's army militia then we wouldn't have half of this on our doorstep. But then on the other hand we wouldn't have had the vast history behind us either, maybe we would have been better off as Little Britain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,337 Posted May 3, 2021 Report Share Posted May 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Right, I get ya. Well this comes down to what we as a nation want to be able to do militarily. Most say something like "defend our borders" which is so lacking in detail I can't deal with it. So what do we want to be able to do? Carrier strike is the foundation of true expeditionary capability. Without it we are dependant on allies that have it or conveniently placed ground bases, which can't be guaranteed and which we have to safely get to. What it offers is the ability to deploy serious force anywhere on the planet. And that could take any form up to the very few situations you have highlighted, which in those very serious situations we absolutely would not be doing on our own. As part of an allied effort, facing a foe like China, we would have a specific tasking to a specific part of the world and what we would bring to face what China has in that part of the world would be a serious force. So in that very specific scenario you have highlighted it's anything other than a white elephant. Now for stuff below that threat level.... The Falklands is usually the top of the examples list on this subject. I'd add Sierra Lone, all the shit that went off in the Balkans, continual instability in the ME (let's not get into who's f***ing fault each and every occurrence is).... If we decide we don't want to be in the expeditionary warfare game anymore then we might as well just have a dads army militia. Good post mate I just have a feeling of we don’t give two fucks about what’s happening within while making this massive show to those outside. Theres nobody in the world coming for a war in the foreseeable future, meanwhile there is a massive war going on for the soul of our nation within our borders as we speak and we are loosing ! It just don’t sit well with me all this “Look at the mite of Great Britain” with 9 billion quids worth of boat when the reality is, domestically our politicians couldn’t give a flying f**k about Blighty and are waving the white flag at home. We are in a war right f***ing now, right at this moment and everything that British Naval power ever represented since the time of the privateers has very nearly been completely wiped off the face of the earth. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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