Born Hunter 17,910 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, mushroom said: So we agree and disagree but we get each other and technically we're on the same page I think this subject is very diverse. I've talked about simply putting a man on Mars and brining him home all the way to colonising the entire system! LOL. I think permanent research facilities on the Moon and Mars are likely within the next 50 years. I think putting humans on Mars is possible within the decade given the rate of progress tbh. The big factor is how the space sector develops as that is what is driving the technology. The money is all in satellites right now. With the reusability of rockets driving down launch costs, the first human authorised rocket in the private sector last year, space tourism is likely just around the corner. One commercial application provides the funds to develop tech that then opens up an entirely new commercial application. The world militaries now consider space a legitimate warfighting domain, like the sea and land etc given many nations have anti satellite weapons and the importance of satellites to warfighting in the other domains. This will further drive the sector. A breakthrough in fusion energy could suddenly create a massive demand for He3, which the moon likely has trillions of dollars worth just dusted over it's surface! 20 years ago mining it would've been economically prohibitive due to technology but 20 years from now.... Shit's happening! At an increasing pace for the first time in decades! Edited February 17, 2021 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, mushroom said: One question...... How the fuucking hell did you seperate my reply for your responses like you did? Just hit quote as many times as you want and delete the bits from the box you don't want. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,100 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Born Hunter said: Just hit quote as many times as you want and delete the bits from the box you don't want. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,910 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Here's another big future potential space sector development. Earth to Earth cargo shipping! With the reusability of rockets, the development a super heavy cargo capacities, and other engine innovations bringing down costs, suddenly there's interest in shipping stuff around the world with rockets! The US military is particularly interested as they could put 100 tons of hardware on the other side of the globe in half an hour at similar costs to what a C5 could do it in like 24hours. Which has huge strategic implications for them. We have strategic airlift, sealift and quite likely in the near future spacelift! Only then a matter of time before civilian freight looks to take advantage... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, mushroom said: With what? Chicken wire and duck tape? Radiation (type depending) has the twatting ability to pass through pretty much anything. Lead, gold and a only a couple of other very heavy (dense) elements/alloys are the only thing we have and understanding physics as we do only thing able to withstand and absorb. One word, Hydrogen. Edited February 17, 2021 by Greb147 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,100 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Greb147 said: One word, Hydrogen. Come again? You believe an element with one atom can absorb more radiation than one with (I think) 80? You do know, hydrogen is a gas and not a metal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, mushroom said: Come again? You believe an element with one atom can absorb more radiation than one with (I think) 80? You do know, hydrogen is a gas and not a metal? H20, never said metal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 31,763 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Greb147 said: H20, never said metal. Your better off pulling up a seat and letting them sort the mars mission out me thinks mate 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,100 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Greb147 said: H20, never said metal. The amount of water it would take to shield a ship is phenomenal and completely impractical. I'm seriously not following you mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, mushroom said: The amount of water it would take to shield a ship is phenomenal and completely impractical. I'm seriously not following you mate. Do you know how much would be needed? It doesn't have to be water either, plastics high in hydrogen have potential for shielding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 Water Could Shield Mars Bound Astronauts And Colonists From Harmful Radiation | HuffPost WWW.HUFFPOST.COM A couple of years ago, on a press tour of NASA’s Johnson Space Center (JSC), one of the lead engineer’s of the Orion... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Greyman said: Your better off pulling up a seat and letting them sort the mars mission out me thinks mate Let's talk science, or conspiracies for those who can't grasp it.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,100 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: I think this subject is very diverse. I've talked about simply putting a man on Mars and brining him home all the way to colonising the entire system! LOL. I think permanent research facilities on the Moon and Mars are likely within the next 50 years. I think putting humans on Mars is possible within the decade given the rate of progress tbh. The big factor is how the space sector develops as that is what is driving the technology. The money is all in satellites right now. With the reusability of rockets driving down launch costs, the first human authorised rocket in the private sector last year, space tourism is likely just around the corner. One commercial application provides the funds to develop tech that then opens up an entirely new commercial application. The world militaries now consider space a legitimate warfighting domain, like the sea and land etc given many nations have anti satellite weapons and the importance of satellites to warfighting in the other domains. This will further drive the sector. A breakthrough in fusion energy could suddenly create a massive demand for He3, which the moon likely has trillions of dollars worth just dusted over it's surface! 20 years ago mining it would've been economically prohibitive due to technology but 20 years from now.... Shit's happening! At an increasing pace for the first time in decades! No more likes mate but you just got me wet Helium 3 is where it's at Crazy fact for everyone... the world is running out of Helium. Helium is used in MRI scanners aswell as balloons and is only made in stars. So when its gone, it's gone. The militarisation and Commercialisation of space, I find fuucking daft and incomprehensible! Starship troopers all over again The benefit should be for all, not just Rio Tinto, mining corps' or private investors Think more star trek and less Aliens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,100 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Here's another big future potential space sector development. Earth to Earth cargo shipping! With the reusability of rockets, the development a super heavy cargo capacities, and other engine innovations bringing down costs, suddenly there's interest in shipping stuff around the world with rockets! The US military is particularly interested as they could put 100 tons of hardware on the other side of the globe in half an hour at similar costs to what a C5 could do it in like 24hours. Which has huge strategic implications for them. We have strategic airlift, sealift and quite likely in the near future spacelift! Only then a matter of time before civilian freight looks to take advantage... Agreed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 14,100 Posted February 17, 2021 Report Share Posted February 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, Greb147 said: Do you know how much would be needed? It doesn't have to be water either, plastics high in hydrogen have potential for shielding. @Born Hunter This one is for you mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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