chartpolski 28,016 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, ChrisJones said: Yes. If you can separate the merit from the personal. Doesn't mean you have to admire the the whole. Would you agree that is one of the big problems in society today? That people have to either fully disregard, or embrace, something without looking at the individual pros and cons? Yes, I agree that society, and people, are polarised these days. Left or Right, EU or Brexit, vax or no vax, etc, etc....... People latch onto something and simply won't accept another persons view or opinion. Theres an old saying, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing", and no more so in the Covid vax debat, suddenly everyone an epidemiologist or virologist ! Life isn't black or white.....there's a huge grey area where things overlap. I spend an awful lot of time studying things before making a decision, probably to long, but being retired I have plenty of time on my hands ! Im a free trade, small government, right winger, but also support the NHS, the benefits system, ( to a degree !), my left wing friends cand understand or accept that ! Theres no shame in saying " hey I was wrong " or " hey I didn't know that" but people become so entrenched in their own opinion, debate is rendered obsolete ! Cheers. 7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Greb147 said: I'm sure most on here would label Churchill as the "greatest" Britain in history. That does surprise me, mate. I thought you'd have said Lewis Hamilton. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 8,020 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 So just a quick glance at him on Google, and sounds like he was a nonce as well ,still he did write a lovely tune ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, ChrisJones said: That does surprise me, mate. I thought you'd have said Lewis Hamilton. My point still stands, the world is full of contradictions. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greb147 6,810 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, waltjnr said: So just a quick glance at him on Google, and sounds like he was a nonce as well ,still he did write a lovely tune ! Are you talking about Elvis... Oh no, he never wrote his own stuff. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, chartpolski said: Im a free trade, small government, right winger, but also support the NHS, the benefits system, ( to a degree !), my left wing friends cand understand or accept that ! Same here, mate. Living this side of the pond I get called a liberal because I don't support Trump and his Republicans and I can't post anywhere left leaning because I don't support Biden and his Democrats. When politics inevitably crops up I've called both a communist and a nazi in the same conversation. It's a pickle. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 28,016 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, ChrisJones said: Same here, mate. Living this side of the pond I get called a liberal because I don't support Trump and his Republicans and I can't post anywhere left leaning because I don't support Biden and his Democrats. When politics inevitably crops up I've called both a communist and a nazi in the same conversation. It's a pickle. As a "right winger" the left automatically label me as a racist, oh ! If they only knew They automatically label me as anti immigration, but I'm all for controlled immigration; I'd rather have an Indian nurse than a Bulgarian Big Issue seller, or have a Japanese scientist than a Romanian pick pocket, but that doesn't fit in with the Lefts narrative ! Its getting more and more like Orwells 1984; right is wrong, truth is lies........ Cheers. 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 minute ago, chartpolski said: As a "right winger" the left automatically label me as a racist, oh ! If they only knew The trans-Atlantic similarities are pretty damn close, mate. I'm very pro free speech (1st Amendment) so am called racist and anti immigration when I say that Donnie and co have the right to post what they do (I'm a first generation immigrant to the US BTW.) When I say that the tech companies also have a 1A right to allow/censor what they allow on their platform's I'm now pro censorship and pro communism! I'm anti gun control. Like completely. Now I'm a survivalist nutjob/racist/kid killer. When Trump was elected and I was helping teach gun safety with a group of white and hispanic women I was labelled an insurrectionist communist! Anti-tax, pro-private business. Now I'm racist/Republican. Pro-police accountability/elimination of qualified immunity. Now I'm BLM/Antifa. I would like to see a massive reduction in federal and military spending and an overall shrinking of their scope and power. Now I'm an anarchist. My personal view is that it's none of my business, what you do, and you should be left alone to do it. I look purely at the individual's rights and assess whether they're being infringed regardless of the conduct. I think the phrase goes along the lines of I disagree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it... It's a funny world we live in! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 Anyway the Cnuts dead 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 28,016 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, socks said: Anyway the Cnuts dead Your incisive and erudite comment is testimony to your thoughtful, heartfelt and Christian nature ! ! Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,681 Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, chartpolski said: Yes, I agree that society, and people, are polarised these days. Left or Right, EU or Brexit, vax or no vax, etc, etc....... People latch onto something and simply won't accept another persons view or opinion. Theres an old saying, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing", and no more so in the Covid vax debat, suddenly everyone an epidemiologist or virologist ! Life isn't black or white.....there's a huge grey area where things overlap. I spend an awful lot of time studying things before making a decision, probably to long, but being retired I have plenty of time on my hands ! Im a free trade, small government, right winger, but also support the NHS, the benefits system, ( to a degree !), my left wing friends cand understand or accept that ! Theres no shame in saying " hey I was wrong " or " hey I didn't know that" but people become so entrenched in their own opinion, debate is rendered obsolete ! Cheers. Great Post that ... So true that we can't look at the benefits of right or left wing politics without being labeled racist or snowflake.. Regards Spector From what I've read a prick of a man... From what I've heard a genius.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, sid g said: you made him worthy enough to list ... You’ve got to Chuck the odd controversial Cnut In every now and again ....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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