What If Rabbits Could Kill You?

[WILF 50,303]

1 minute ago, C.green said:

Think alot of people keep a lurcher as a type of pet wich is fine but the trouble starts is when they talk like they dont keep pets. Ive got a terrier here thats like our pet if he jacked on something tomorrow id probably still keep the dog whereas the lurchers have only got to be killing in next fields for me to start doubting them and thinking do they want it ect. Sometimes its maybe asking abit too much but lurchers are alot off aggro i put alot of effort in if im doing that i want to own something atleast omce that i can say yeah good animal.

And there you have it in a nutshell, put much better than I ever could.

Great post mate

[Born Hunter 17,910]

38 minutes ago, WILF said:

Good post that FD, I reckon there is still a few lads really chucking it at dogs to see what they are made of but I would think they are like hens teeth.

Its all too much like hard work and as Stiffmiester said who wants to be crawling up the motorway at stupid o clock in the morning and burning through diesel when the chances are you have an article in the back.

I had a dog (and following on from what Blackmag said about the owner failing the dog) that I put a massive amount of graft in front of one season.

At a guess I was easily doing a thousand miles a week on average, I took that dog all over England, upto Scotland, down to Wales and threw so much kit in front of it that’s it’s just not true.

It singularly failed at everything, I mean you could do things with it that I’m sure many lads would be happy with like it would hunt fox on it’s own and kill them.

It only needed a flash of eyes and you could switch off the lamp and away it would go.

It was very well trained and would do all the blind stays, even amongst thousands of people and dogs at country shows and things like that.

It killed the odd thing but compared to what I put in front of it, Nope.....and some things it wouldn’t tackle at all.

Some lads asked to buy the dog when they knew I was going to put it down but I was never going to be doing that.

Some dogs just don’t have it and no amount of throwing time and effort into the animal will ever put in what nature left out.
 

 

I totally understand what you're saying but do you not think you've let your standards completely destroy your sport? It takes a f**k ton of dedication and sacrifice to produce a premier league kennel with anything, and it does take a kennel, one dog gives you no redundancy and you're just waiting for the day it's all over. With lurchers and terriers it also likely requires no neighbours these days. The only lads I know who can do that live well out of the urban sprawl of even villages.

I've not got that dedication, my dogs enable me to enjoy my sport but I'm never likely contributing shit to the bigger picture. I don't have that dedication. I guess what I'm saying is, I've just got to accept that or pack up completely and that ain't an option.

PS, I turned that spaniel pup down and totally regretted it because now im a bit underdoged. Hopefully got something coming end of year. It's good to know those dedicated few...

[king 12,030]

54 minutes ago, WILF said:

Good post that FD, I reckon there is still a few lads really chucking it at dogs to see what they are made of but I would think they are like hens teeth.

Its all too much like hard work and as Stiffmiester said who wants to be crawling up the motorway at stupid o clock in the morning and burning through diesel when the chances are you have an article in the back.

I had a dog (and following on from what Blackmag said about the owner failing the dog) that I put a massive amount of graft in front of one season.

At a guess I was easily doing a thousand miles a week on average, I took that dog all over England, upto Scotland, down to Wales and threw so much kit in front of it that’s it’s just not true.

It singularly failed at everything, I mean you could do things with it that I’m sure many lads would be happy with like it would hunt fox on it’s own and kill them.

It only needed a flash of eyes and you could switch off the lamp and away it would go.

It was very well trained and would do all the blind stays, even amongst thousands of people and dogs at country shows and things like that.

It killed the odd thing but compared to what I put in front of it, Nope.....and some things it wouldn’t tackle at all.

Some lads asked to buy the dog when they knew I was going to put it down but I was never going to be doing that.

Some dogs just don’t have it and no amount of throwing time and effort into the animal will ever put in what nature left out.
 

 

1000 miles a week.what was you looking for big cats..

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

Someone’s full on grafter might be another’s cull though .Not to mention any names but years ago I invited a lad off here for a nights lamping and what he brought was a well known bull grey ,line bred stud of a thing .We pulled up at the permission and in the yard there was a donkey running free .That f***ing thing hit the windscreen from the back and nearly ko’d  itself .Was a nightmare on the lead ,a thick heavy rope ,no slip lead mind .In fairness it killed everything we ran it on from rabbits to deer but what a mess it left ,certainly not a pot filler and bred for one thing only .I wouldn’t of owned  it but I could see it’s potential put to a decent lurcher .We killed 5 foxes that night as well as 3 assorted and few rabbits .

The bull x I’ve seen since are much steadier ,some bred down from that head case too .

You don’t need major drama to get the job done ,the best dogs I’ve seen are shake merchants breaking backs rather than an all out tooth fight .

 

[king 12,030]

12 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

Someone’s full on grafter might be another’s cull though .Not to mention any names but years ago I invited a lad off here for a nights lamping and what he brought was a well known bull grey ,line bred stud of a thing .We pulled up at the permission and in the yard there was a donkey running free .That f***ing thing hit the windscreen from the back and nearly ko’d  itself .Was a nightmare on the lead ,a thick heavy rope ,no slip lead mind .In fairness it killed everything we ran it on from rabbits to deer but what a mess it left ,certainly not a pot filler and bred for one thing only .I wouldn’t of owned  it but I could see it’s potential put to a decent lurcher .We killed 5 foxes that night as well as 3 assorted and few rabbits .

The bull x I’ve seen since are much steadier ,some bred down from that head case too .

You don’t need major drama to get the job done ,the best dogs I’ve seen are shake merchants breaking backs rather than an all out tooth fight .

 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

I’d say if you’ve never done the travel ,go looking thing when your young and hungry it ain’t never going to happen as you get older .Im so glad I did the meet and greet when I was young and got it out my system .I still travel but it’s with a rifle these days as I couldn’t do a dog the justice it warrants tbh 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,146]

I think c green has hit the nail on the head In his post . 
 

as for the folk saying that the standard doesn’t have to be high. No not really . If your just cuffing around anything will do really . I think mine and wilfs arguement is being lost in that all I want from a dog is honesty . A dog that you can walk into a field with day or night and think at whatever gets up ,“ yeah your in trouble here” 

ive had dogs that I could comfortably take anywhere . Going out for a shine , walking a hill, taking the terriers , walking the land . No bother , which one will I take tonight ? 

conversely I had a wee bitch who I knew if that a hare or fox got up too far away it wasn’t worth letting her off. Scuffed hares or doubled Up at things you’d have thought she was magic . But she didn’t have the gears to get to stuff too far away. Shame like . 
 

too much stuff is bummed up from dogs way back in its pedigree. Face book is full of dogs desperate to be a name in its field. Coursing especially. 
 

in reality the majority of stuff getting bred is jank posing as gold . I was always raised to believe that as a minimum a dog should be doing anything the ferrets can eat. But if you have a bull x making a meal of a 14 inch fox , what’s the f***ing point in having it ? 
 

 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

King you have pm mate 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,146]

29 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

Someone’s full on grafter might be another’s cull though .Not to mention any names but years ago I invited a lad off here for a nights lamping and what he brought was a well known bull grey ,line bred stud of a thing .We pulled up at the permission and in the yard there was a donkey running free .That f***ing thing hit the windscreen from the back and nearly ko’d  itself .Was a nightmare on the lead ,a thick heavy rope ,no slip lead mind .In fairness it killed everything we ran it on from rabbits to deer but what a mess it left ,certainly not a pot filler and bred for one thing only .I wouldn’t of owned  it but I could see it’s potential put to a decent lurcher .We killed 5 foxes that night as well as 3 assorted and few rabbits .

The bull x I’ve seen since are much steadier ,some bred down from that head case too .

You don’t need major drama to get the job done ,the best dogs I’ve seen are shake merchants breaking backs rather than an all out tooth fight .

 

You’ve just hit the nail on it head There fd. 
 

it’s because dogs like that are bred to lurchers is the reason we are in the mess we are . 
 

that lurcher won’t steady that thing down , it will take away everything that made that dog a machine 

[Blackmag 6,382]

38 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

Someone’s full on grafter might be another’s cull though .Not to mention any names but years ago I invited a lad off here for a nights lamping and what he brought was a well known bull grey ,line bred stud of a thing .We pulled up at the permission and in the yard there was a donkey running free .That f***ing thing hit the windscreen from the back and nearly ko’d  itself .Was a nightmare on the lead ,a thick heavy rope ,no slip lead mind .In fairness it killed everything we ran it on from rabbits to deer but what a mess it left ,certainly not a pot filler and bred for one thing only .I wouldn’t of owned  it but I could see it’s potential put to a decent lurcher .We killed 5 foxes that night as well as 3 assorted and few rabbits .

The bull x I’ve seen since are much steadier ,some bred down from that head case too .

You don’t need major drama to get the job done ,the best dogs I’ve seen are shake merchants breaking backs rather than an all out tooth fight .

 

The only thing that dog was missing by the sounds of it was basic manners and maybe should of been used what it was bred for some of the best natural retrievers I have seen were bull xs live to hand to 

Edited October 3, 2020 by Blackmag

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

At stiffy

No mate you are wrong .The full on head case knows no better than get messy .The combination of that to a steadier type combines the drives with finesse ,that’s the theory anyway .Ive seen plenty of dogs full on only fit for couple of goes a night but the amalgamated type do double figures in style .Depends what you want .Nobody is right or wrong .He who feeds it and all that .
Yes some dogs are better off not being bred from or kept alive for that matter but who is to satay what’s good and what isn’t .Ive owned a tiny terrier cross bull whippet that took anything we have locally ,bottomless stamina and brains enough to retrieve a pheasant to hand rather than rag the thing all over the place .It what you put into a good dog that gets the best from it rather than leave it to its own thing .

[king 12,030]

2 minutes ago, Blackmag said:

The only thing that dog was missing by the sounds of it was basic manners 

Hard to instill basic manners into a lunatic though.i would imagine..

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,146]

Steady dogs are never far off jacking imho 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,146]

1 minute ago, foxdropper said:

At stiffy

No mate you are wrong .The full on head case knows no better than get messy .The combination of that to a steadier type combines the drives with finesse ,that’s the theory anyway .Ive seen plenty of dogs full on only fit for couple of goes a night but the amalgamated type do double figures in style .Depends what you want .Nobody is right or wrong .He who feeds it and all that .
Yes some dogs are better off not being bred from or kept alive for that matter but who is to satay what’s good and what isn’t .Ive owned a tiny terrier cross bull whippet that took anything we have locally ,bottomless stamina and brains enough to retrieve a pheasant to hand rather than rag the thing all over the place .It what you put into a good dog that gets the best from it rather than leave it to its own thing .

Totally disagree with that last bit. 
 

you cannot put guts or drive into a dog it has to be there 

[Blackmag 6,382]

2 minutes ago, king said:

Hard to instill basic manners into a lunatic though.i would imagine..

Probably left in a pen till it was 12 months old by the sounds of it like alot were to think you needed a rope just to walk it