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[jacknife 2,005]

 

 

 

He still didn't win he offered everyone everything

 

With food banks and austerity all caused by the big bad tories

 

Why did the man of the people not win

But more people voted for Labour under Corbyn than voted for Labour in the last three general elections so your statement that there's loads of Labour voters who didn't vote Labour because of Corbyn doesn't really hold water does it?

The same applies to the tories each election they get more votes

 

It doesn't mean Labour haven't lost lots of life long voters

You have no idea what you're talking about. The Labour vote has steadily declined since 1997 and only went up again under Corbyn...

 

 

Just admit you were wrong pal I promise it won't hurt.

 

 

Labour

2010.......8.6 million

2015........9.3 million

2017.........12.8 million

 

Tory

2010......10.7 million

2015.......11.3 million

2017........13.6 million

 

Unless those figures are wrong more people have voted for the Tories with may as leader than last 3 elections

 

To me it looks like voting has steadily increased for both parties in the last 3 elections

[BGD 6,437]

 

 

 

 

 

He still didn't win he offered everyone everything

 

With food banks and austerity all caused by the big bad tories

 

Why did the man of the people not win

But more people voted for Labour under Corbyn than voted for Labour in the last three general elections so your statement that there's loads of Labour voters who didn't vote Labour because of Corbyn doesn't really hold water does it?

The same applies to the tories each election they get more votes

 

It doesn't mean Labour haven't lost lots of life long voters

You have no idea what you're talking about. The Labour vote has steadily declined since 1997 and only went up again under Corbyn...

 

 

Just admit you were wrong pal I promise it won't hurt.

Labour

2010.......8.6 million

2015........9.3 million

2017.........12.8 million

 

Tory

2010......10.7 million

2015.......11.3 million

2017........13.6 million

 

Unless those figures are wrong more people have voted for the Tories with may as leader than last 3 elections

 

To me it looks like voting has steadily increased for both parties in the last 3 elections

I said since 1997, I wonder why you missed out the first 2 elections Could it be because it proves your statement that votes increase every election regardless of leader as total bullshit?

 

You're right though it did slightly increase under "Red Ed" (still nothing compared to the massive increase under Corbyn though) another leader who was labelled a looney lefty socialist by the media, almost as if Labour do better under leaders who are perceived as more left wing isn't it?

 

Just to help you out here are the numbers showing the downward trend from 1997 that was only reversed under leaders labelled as looney lefty socialists

 

1997 - 13,518,167

 

2001 - 10,724,953

 

2005 - 9,552,436

 

2010 - 8,606,527

Edited September 26, 2017 by BGD

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That's the problem as i see it. We tend to have the attitude "oh well look at the corruption by the other parties"

 

its obvious as f**k none of them are fit to hold office.

 

People struggle to live others get taxed to the hilt. No freebies or easy ride for us but they seem to think they dont need to stick to the rules you or have to.

 

horrible shower of freeloaders and shady corrupt c**ts. Hope they die a horrible death

[ChrisJones 7,975]

[jacknife 2,005]

 

 

 

 

 

He still didn't win he offered everyone everything

 

With food banks and austerity all caused by the big bad tories

 

Why did the man of the people not win

But more people voted for Labour under Corbyn than voted for Labour in the last three general elections so your statement that there's loads of Labour voters who didn't vote Labour because of Corbyn doesn't really hold water does it?

The same applies to the tories each election they get more votes

 

It doesn't mean Labour haven't lost lots of life long voters

You have no idea what you're talking about. The Labour vote has steadily declined since 1997 and only went up again under Corbyn...

 

 

Just admit you were wrong pal I promise it won't hurt.

Labour

2010.......8.6 million

2015........9.3 million

2017.........12.8 million

 

Tory

2010......10.7 million

2015.......11.3 million

2017........13.6 million

 

Unless those figures are wrong more people have voted for the Tories with may as leader than last 3 elections

 

To me it looks like voting has steadily increased for both parties in the last 3 elections

I said since 1997, I wonder why you missed out the first 2 elections Could it be because it proves your statement that votes increase every election regardless of leader as total bullshit?

 

You're right though it did slightly increase under "Red Ed" (still nothing compared to the massive increase under Corbyn though) another leader who was labelled a looney lefty socialist by the media, almost as if Labour do better under leaders who are perceived as more left wing isn't it?

 

Just to help you out here are the numbers showing the downward trend from 1997 that was only reversed under leaders labelled as looney lefty socialists

 

1997 - 13,518,167

 

2001 - 10,724,953

 

2005 - 9,552,436

 

2010 - 8,606,527

 

 

stick to what You said originally.....But more people voted for Labour under Corbyn than voted for Labour in the last three general elections

 

I am pointing out that the tory vote has taken a similar pattern and increased over the same general time period

 

tory increase in votes from 2005 till 2017...........4.8 million

Labour increase in votes from 2005 till 2017......3.3 million

[WILF 50,239]

AIDS got 10 gazillion votes and Cancer got 11 gazillion votes !

[BGD 6,437]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He still didn't win he offered everyone everything

 

With food banks and austerity all caused by the big bad tories

 

Why did the man of the people not win

But more people voted for Labour under Corbyn than voted for Labour in the last three general elections so your statement that there's loads of Labour voters who didn't vote Labour because of Corbyn doesn't really hold water does it?

The same applies to the tories each election they get more votes

 

It doesn't mean Labour haven't lost lots of life long voters

You have no idea what you're talking about. The Labour vote has steadily declined since 1997 and only went up again under Corbyn...

 

 

Just admit you were wrong pal I promise it won't hurt.

Labour

2010.......8.6 million

2015........9.3 million

2017.........12.8 million

 

Tory

2010......10.7 million

2015.......11.3 million

2017........13.6 million

 

Unless those figures are wrong more people have voted for the Tories with may as leader than last 3 elections

 

To me it looks like voting has steadily increased for both parties in the last 3 elections

I said since 1997, I wonder why you missed out the first 2 elections Could it be because it proves your statement that votes increase every election regardless of leader as total bullshit?

 

You're right though it did slightly increase under "Red Ed" (still nothing compared to the massive increase under Corbyn though) another leader who was labelled a looney lefty socialist by the media, almost as if Labour do better under leaders who are perceived as more left wing isn't it?

 

Just to help you out here are the numbers showing the downward trend from 1997 that was only reversed under leaders labelled as looney lefty socialists

 

1997 - 13,518,167

 

2001 - 10,724,953

 

2005 - 9,552,436

 

2010 - 8,606,527

stick to what You said originally.....But more people voted for Labour under Corbyn than voted for Labour in the last three general elections

 

I am pointing out that the tory vote has taken a similar pattern and increased over the same general time period

 

tory increase in votes from 2005 till 2017...........4.8 million

Labour increase in votes from 2005 till 2017......3.3 million

And how does that prove that there's loads of Labour voters who won't vote Labour because of Corbyn which was your original point? Seems to me he managed to reverse the decline in Labour votes started by Blair bringing back millions of Labour voters who deserted the party during the Blair years. Party membership numbers also support that.

[jacknife 2,005]

the only thing that cannot be proved is actual numbers

 

Maybe the young vote is what gave him the numbers

[BGD 6,437]

the only thing that cannot be proved is actual numbers

 

Maybe the young vote is what gave him the numbers

So you think all (or at least the vast majority) of the 3 million voters Labour gained under Corbyn were first time Labour voters? I'd love to see some evidence for that.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

So a traditional socialist, leading a socialist party is attracting socialist voters back to the traditional socialist roots of the party along with newer younger socialist voters?

 

I find it easier to believe than to type.

[BGD 6,437]

That's it in a nutshell

 

 

And I'm sure that post breaks some kind of record for the most times "socialist" has been repeated in one sentence

[ChrisJones 7,975]

In for a penny in for a pound!

[BGD 6,437]

Also the idea that the improved performance by Labour was entirely down to students is bollocks, they massively outperformed the Tories in every age bracket below 50-59

 

 

I know that graph has scared the shit out of a lot of folk at Tory HQ too, their voter base is dying off and they're struggling to replace them hence the laughable attempts to appeal to younger voters with things like their failed Momentum clone "Activate"

Edited September 26, 2017 by BGD

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What you're trying to tell us, is that people get wiser as they get older?

[BGD 6,437]

What you're trying to tell us, is that people get wiser as they get older?

Who's to say those younger voters will change their political allegiance as they age? The Tory party certainly don't think they will that's why they're shitting themselves over it.

 

I've had some very interesting conversations with folk high up in the party since the election and they're terrified by the idea that their base is dying off and not being replaced at the same rate. It's a real fear for them.

Edited September 26, 2017 by BGD