NEWKID 29,095 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 There is a different ethos from youth football through to the top leagues abroad, they train and play in different way as soon as they start playing. Ball retention is key, small pitches no goals and 4/5 a side just keeping the ball, futsaw to work on ability, kids are taught this from a very young age. We are far more competetive even at youth standard, our training methods are changing slowly but we're a long way behind. Now personally I think if you used the best of the foreign culture (comfort on the ball, actually wanting the ball, passing etc) combined with our more direct/aggressive style of play we would be onto a winner I might be over optimistic but that first 70 minutes were very good, good retention of the ball and still direct play, (keeping the ball but only going backwards or sideways is no use), England committed players (fullbacks particularly) and long or short the passing was good. Only my opinion but was how I saw it. Germany were excellent last night, but they showed they could be got at, Ukraind had good chances, and boetang was a bit last ditch a few times. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,082 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 All I mean is it depends on what you class as good if you get my drift, Leyton Orient good is still shit compared to Manchester Unt good.......if that makes sense ! Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 29,095 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Speaking to a good mate of mine on Saturday, we played from kids tether, (he dad was our manager at under 15's). He runs a youth team now and we had the exact same chat, the amount of parents shouting clear it, or kick it to touch etc. He wants the kids to play football, but they're all too scared of losing, that's our mentality in a nutshell. Wilf, you've played enough football at varying standards to know how we generally go about things from grass roots up 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 29,095 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) All I mean is it depends on what you class as good if you get my drift, Leyton Orient good is still shit compared to Manchester Unt good.......if that makes sense ! LolI get what you mean completely, we'd all love to wave the wand and the team play like Brazil crossed with Germany ( now that would be some football lol).That arsenal team that went unbeaten played football exactly the way it should be, direct and precise, they never passed you death like Barcelona (although they rarely gave it away), everything had a purpose. I think England could be very successful playing the old Man Utd way, direct, accurate and with pace. We've now got pace all over the team, and in Rooney we've got the new Scholes ( that's pirlo and scholes now, am I getting carried away!! Lol) Edited June 13, 2016 by NEWKID Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,082 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Funny you say, I watched Germany and the old Unt team came to mind right away.....I thought they played exactly like them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,602 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 All I mean is it depends on what you class as good if you get my drift, Leyton Orient good is still shit compared to Manchester Unt good.......if that makes sense ! Lol Exactly.....so maybe its you that thinks we are better than what we are if your not happy with that performance ? As an average international side i was well pleased with the performance just a shame about the result. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,602 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Speaking to a good mate of mine on Saturday, we played from kids tether, (he dad was our manager at under 15's). He runs a youth team now and we had the exact same chat, the amount of parents shouting clear it, or kick it to touch etc. He wants the kids to play football, but they're all too scared of losing, that's our mentality in a nutshell. Wilf, you've played enough football at varying standards to know how we generally go about things from grass roots up I know a chap who does a bit of scouting for West Ham just looking at kids from local leagues etc......occasionally he will get sent abroad to look at a player and he reckons the difference in grass roots football is amazing......according to him we place too much emphasis on winning from an early age......it might of been Holland i forget now but he told me they are not allowed to play in competitive matches until they are 16......i said so how do you know if they are any good if they,re not playing competitively......he said wouldnt you know if a kid had potential as a fighter from watching him spar ?......its a fair point. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
green lurchers 17,131 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 rooneys shit ,,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 29,095 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Speaking to a good mate of mine on Saturday, we played from kids tether, (he dad was our manager at under 15's). He runs a youth team now and we had the exact same chat, the amount of parents shouting clear it, or kick it to touch etc. He wants the kids to play football, but they're all too scared of losing, that's our mentality in a nutshell. Wilf, you've played enough football at varying standards to know how we generally go about things from grass roots up I know a chap who does a bit of scouting for West Ham just looking at kids from local leagues etc......occasionally he will get sent abroad to look at a player and he reckons the difference in grass roots football is amazing......according to him we place too much emphasis on winning from an early age......it might of been Holland i forget now but he told me they are not allowed to play in competitive matches until they are 16......i said so how do you know if they are any good if they,re not playing competitively......he said wouldnt you know if a kid had potential as a fighter from watching him spar ?......its a fair point. Exactly Gnash, we're bought up with a win at all cost mentality, f**k me this lads dad was teaching us every dirty trick in the book at 13 lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 29,095 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 rooneys shit ,,, Fair enough lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,602 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Speaking to a good mate of mine on Saturday, we played from kids tether, (he dad was our manager at under 15's). He runs a youth team now and we had the exact same chat, the amount of parents shouting clear it, or kick it to touch etc. He wants the kids to play football, but they're all too scared of losing, that's our mentality in a nutshell. Wilf, you've played enough football at varying standards to know how we generally go about things from grass roots up I know a chap who does a bit of scouting for West Ham just looking at kids from local leagues etc......occasionally he will get sent abroad to look at a player and he reckons the difference in grass roots football is amazing......according to him we place too much emphasis on winning from an early age......it might of been Holland i forget now but he told me they are not allowed to play in competitive matches until they are 16......i said so how do you know if they are any good if they,re not playing competitively......he said wouldnt you know if a kid had potential as a fighter from watching him spar ?......its a fair point. Exactly Gnash, we're bought up with a win at all cost mentality, f**k me this lads dad was teaching us every dirty trick in the book at 13 lol He would also say how English schools/sunday league teams tend to pick the biggest boys as youngsters simply because they are stronger and can kick the ball further ......whereas abroad its technically how they strike a ball not how far they can kick it that matters.....and where they are not competing their kids get to perfect their touch and tactical awareness before they start competing.....makes sense i suppose. Edited June 13, 2016 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
green lurchers 17,131 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 its easy to look good up against non quality sides , 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 29,095 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 its easy to look good up against non quality sides , We've looked shot against worst sides than that in the past mate.. Not sure if that's a compliment or not lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
green lurchers 17,131 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 its easy to look good up against non quality sides , We've looked shot against worst sides than that in the past mate.. Not sure if that's a compliment or not lol I get your point NK , I look at it like this its no good shining against average , when we look good against a top ten side I,l sit up , if we play any of the top 5 sides like we did Russia were cooked , rooney is a subber hes not decisive he lacks pace dosnt want to loose the ball so wont take a man on , he wont get the room against a better side and will get turned over , hes no paul scholes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 29,095 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 its easy to look good up against non quality sides , We've looked shot against worst sides than that in the past mate.. Not sure if that's a compliment or not lol I get your point NK , I look at it like this its no good shining against average , when we look good against a top ten side I,l sit up , if we play any of the top 5 sides like we did Russia were cooked , rooney is a subber hes not decisive he lacks pace dosnt want to loose the ball so wont take a man on , he wont get the room against a better side and will get turned over , hes no paul scholes They turned over Germany good and proper n the build up, only a friendly but Getmany v England ain't ever a friendly. Rooney certainly divides opinions, his stats speak for themselves IMO, you won't hear many professional footballers saying too much had about him, he's a players player IMO,... I know the point you're making though, whether he can mix it in the middle of the park with the best is yet to be seen. But no he no he ain't no Scholes, he was on another planet!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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