Boxing At The Weekend...

[gnasher16 31,180]

On 20/07/2025 at 10:40, jukel123 said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/tUOvoP9epmE?si=zRh3jf6-qd6ptatZ

Brilliant bit of real talk that was i think the whole interview was about 30 mins regarding Tyson.....Atlas worded it all brilliantly...." he was only in 5 fights in his life and he's 0 - 5 "

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3 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I must have spent weeks of my life watching the trilogy over and over. Still give  me goosebumps. I haven't got words to describe my admiration for both men.

It doesn't get any better, it has everything that bout, both went at it like two pit dogs, just awe inspiring. It's no wonder neither lived to a grand old age, both were as tough and as game as they come.

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1 hour ago, shaaark said:

So, looks like parker will be fighting usyk next.

He's the only one that deserves a shot at a world heavyweight title....what ever happened to fighting your way into contention both Fury and Joshua have lost their last 2 fights and Itauma is nowhere near.....what gives these fighters the right to just swing straight in for a crack at the greatest prize in sport having done nothing to earn it !

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5 minutes ago, Seagull said:

It doesn't get any better, it has everything that bout, both went at it like two pit dogs, just awe inspiring. It's no wonder neither lived to a grand old age, both were as tough and as game as they come.

I first became aware of Ali as a boy. All us kids would shadow box with each other shouting " what's my name, what's my name". The thing is he wasn't scared of anybody. He gave everybody confidence. He just stood up and said what he wanted to and to hell with consequences. I think just about everybody I knew had an Ali tattoo. He was the role model to end all role models. And yet he was an a American black man in white England with lots of racial tensions.

 An amazing man. Tbh  I was upset when he and smokin Joe died. They were one offs.

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11 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

He's the only one that deserves a shot at a world heavyweight title....what ever happened to fighting your way into contention both Fury and Joshua have lost their last 2 fights and Itauma is nowhere near.....what gives these fighters the right to just swing straight in for a crack at the greatest prize in sport having done nothing to earn it !

I can't believe the hype about Itauma. Talk about matching him with Usyk would be insanity. Who knows he might become world class but he's  nowhere near yet. Chishora would be a severe test for the lad or maybe Wardley.  But in reality  I  think they would be too much for him. Fisher?  But again too early for him I reckon. I would send him to America and toughen him up with some ring crafty sparring partners and let him mature.

Edited Monday at 22:19 by jukel123

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2 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I first became aware of Ali as a boy. All us kids would shadow box with each other shouting " what's my name, what's my name". The thing is he wasn't scared of anybody. He gave everybody confidence. He just stood up and said what he wanted to and to hell with consequences. I think just about everybody I knew had an Ali tattoo. He was the role model to end all role models. And yet he was an a American black man in white England with lots of racial tensions.

 An amazing man. Tbh  I was upset when he and smokin Joe died. They were one offs.

My grandad was a big Frazier fan, they were well before my time but I could appreciate their greatness from being a young child. The question is, would Frazier have beat the Ali before his exile? He was out for almost 4 years, the years of his prime.

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Just now, Seagull said:

My grandad was a big Frazier fan, they were well before my time but I could appreciate their greatness from being a young child. The question is, would Frazier have beat the Ali before his exile? He was out for almost 4 years, the years of his prime.

Probably not imo. I remember Boudin Brown saying after the first fight." The car hasn't been out of the garage for 3 years".  Fair comment I reckon.

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1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

It's like Teddy Atlas says about M Tyson when he talks about his inner doubt. Tyson never really believed he was the man who could beat anybody and that's essential..that ego, that confidence, that never say enough is enough. Dubois is  exactly the same. Brilliant  physical specimen, same as M Tyson.but no real confidence. He could have got up before the count, he walked straight, no unsteadiness, immediately after he'd been counted out.. He'd had enough.

Guys like Joe Frazier really didn't have any quit in them.

Danny, like Tyson is haunted by inner doubt.

This is where i see it slightly different to most from watching the lad from very young.......im not a Tyson fan at all,i agree with everything Atlas says about him.....but i do think Tyson was an instinctive fighting man......Dubois is not and never has been......my bet with Tyson is that as a youngster it was boxing or nothing.....Dubois could have done any power sport from 100m sprinter to Rugby he was talented at all sports and just an outstanding physical specimen.....it was his father that wanted him to be a fighter.....he was the equivalent of these Sunday morning football Dads you see pressuring their kid to be the best.....and boxing was his thing.

When Daniel was younger his father would stop spars if he thought Dan was going to quit......" he's not fit enough "......would be his constant excuse.....trainers didnt like the father because he had that " he's mine " outlook and never let him grow as a man or as a fighter no trainer was ever allowed to bond with him....Dan is a little boy in a mans body and cannot think for himself in any area of life because his Dad never allowed him to.....i actually feel sorry for the lad as he is sailing through life barely knowing what day it is he had no childhood and is having no real life as an adult......again,he is not an instinctive fighter in his heart and sadly he never will be.......its brilliant that he has got this far and he's got this far on sheer physical ability and hard work which of course must be commended....but a Mike Tyson fighting instinct he will never have.

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19 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

He's the only one that deserves a shot at a world heavyweight title....what ever happened to fighting your way into contention both Fury and Joshua have lost their last 2 fights and Itauma is nowhere near.....what gives these fighters the right to just swing straight in for a crack at the greatest prize in sport having done nothing to earn it !

Was watching earlier, that turki fella wants to put itauma against usyk!!

I just can't take to the little nerk, regardless of the fact more fights we want to see are happening.

Just don't trust anyone that thinks that by throwing a shedful of money at someone, is the right way to go about things.

Just seen jukel's post,

Edited Monday at 22:27 by shaaark

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1 hour ago, NEWKID said:

Yeah thought the undercard was shit mate, but the atmosphere looked good for the main event, and as you say Usyk didn't disappoint... top 5 you say! Technically possibly the best, but I'm not sure on top 5... I'd of love to seen him in either the 70s or 90s eras just to see some of those matcg ups..

We book Usyk as a small heavyweight but in that 70's era he wouldnt have been small....hard to judge on different eras of course but from a pure boxing point of view i dont think guys like Frazier,Norton,Foreman would have coped with his boxing Iq or understood his movement....again different eras.......also its worth noting theres never been an elite heavyweight southpaw that in itself would of caused nightmares for those guys....a peak Holmes would of been a brilliant match up,but yes im going top 5 or 6 for Usyk now.

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14 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

This is where i see it slightly different to most from watching the lad from very young.......im not a Tyson fan at all,i agree with everything Atlas says about him.....but i do think Tyson was an instinctive fighting man......Dubois is not and never has been......my bet with Tyson is that as a youngster it was boxing or nothing.....Dubois could have done any power sport from 100m sprinter to Rugby he was talented at all sports and just an outstanding physical specimen.....it was his father that wanted him to be a fighter.....he was the equivalent of these Sunday morning football Dads you see pressuring their kid to be the best.....and boxing was his thing.

When Daniel was younger his father would stop spars if he thought Dan was going to quit......" he's not fit enough "......would be his constant excuse.....trainers didnt like the father because he had that " he's mine " outlook and never let him grow as a man or as a fighter no trainer was ever allowed to bond with him....Dan is a little boy in a mans body and cannot think for himself in any area of life because his Dad never allowed him to.....i actually feel sorry for the lad as he is sailing through life barely knowing what day it is he had no childhood and is having no real life as an adult......again,he is not an instinctive fighter in his heart and sadly he never will be.......its brilliant that he has got this far and he's got this far on sheer physical ability and hard work which of course must be commended....but a Mike Tyson fighting instinct he will never have.

 Pushy dads are the worst thing for a kid. Kids who experience that kind of pressure never become individuals in their own right. Thierry Henry had a critical father. If he scored a hat trick, his dad would say you should have scored ten. He reckons his dad led to his success but f****d him up as a person.

There's something gullible and innocent about Dubois. He has no spite about him at all. If he he blasts a man out in a few rounds he looks sensational. But the longer bouts go on, the more self doubt sets in. He's  Like M Tyson and like Foreman against Ali. No mental strength.

Edited Monday at 22:39 by jukel123

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8 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

We book Usyk as a small heavyweight but in that 70's era he wouldnt have been small....hard to judge on different eras of course but from a pure boxing point of view i dont think guys like Frazier,Norton,Foreman would have coped with his boxing Iq or understood his movement....again different eras.......also its worth noting theres never been an elite heavyweight southpaw that in itself would of caused nightmares for those guys....a peak Holmes would of been a brilliant match up,but yes im going top 5 or 6 for Usyk now.

I know it's been said on here, that for this dubois rematch, usyk was 20lbs heavier than when he fought fury for the first time.

I don't know if I missed it when I watched it Saturday, but in the 1st fury fight usyk weighed in at 223.5lbs, the 2nd fury fight usyk weighed in at 226lbs, and this dubois rematch usyk was 227.3lbs, that just doesn't equate.

Just to add, I know they can rehydrate etc, but not so much, if at all, at heavyweight.

And usyk been doing alot of strength/power work for this fight, so would appear a tad heavier?

Edited Monday at 22:44 by shaaark

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18 minutes ago, shaaark said:

Was watching earlier, that turki fella wants to put itauma against usyk!!

I just can't take to the little nerk, regardless of the fact more fights we want to see are happening.

Just don't trust anyone that thinks that by throwing a shedful of money at someone, is the right way to go about things.

Just seen jukel's post,

The man has no understanding of the game......but sadly Frank Warren/Hearn etc are having to arse lick him so much that he's calling the shots.

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7 minutes ago, shaaark said:

I know it's been said on here, that for this dubois rematch, usyk was 20lbs heavier than when he fought fury for the first time.

I don't know if I missed it when I watched it Saturday, but in the 1st fury fight usyk weighed in at 223.5lbs, the 2nd fury fight usyk weighed in at 226lbs, and this dubois rematch usyk was 227.3lbs, that just doesn't equate.

Just to add, I know they can rehydrate etc, but not so much, if at all, at heavyweight.

And usyk been doing alot of strength/power work for this fight, so would appear a tad heavier?

Heavyweights dont rehydrate at all.....i dont think thats right 20 lbs from the first Fury fight i thought Usyk was around 220 for that fight and came in at 227 yesterday......i think the extra few lb suits him ,gives him the confidence to stand and trade if he has to without effecting his speed and movement.

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1 minute ago, gnasher16 said:

The man has no understanding of the game......but sadly Frank Warren/Hearn etc are having to arse lick him so much that he's calling the shots.

Pisses me off to see boxers calling him "his excellency" and grovelling to him.  A little insignificant prick with a lot of money, but he puts money in boxers' pockets and puts  on fights we wouldn't have seen otherwise. So the little fella wearing the sheet over himself with the false  nose and specs  is here to stay I'm  afraid