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[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

Sometimes ur better off breeding off what you know than what people will tell you it's a lesson that takes some people a long time to learn should never go off grandparents look at the specimen that's in front of you

Sorry mate but have to disagree .Whats infront of you should stand for years of breeding ,that said you can really only judge years of breeding by whats infront if you lol.

[foxbolter 447]

Sorry mate I have to disagree some dogs and other animals have the very best breeding but sometimes not as good as their ment to be they can have years of breeding behind them and never ever make the grade unfortunately

[pablo esc 1,598]

Howd did yours work out for you foxbolter? And not talking second rate foxbolters, in a lunys eyes and mind

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

Sorry mate I have to disagree some dogs and other animals have the very best breeding but sometimes not as good as their ment to be they can have years of breeding behind them and never ever make the grade unfortunately

The flip side to that is scatter breeding which should be illegal but you crack on mate as its obvious your not for telling .

[neil cooney 10,416]

Have to agree Foxdropper, it's not a coincidence that the same fellows always have more than a few good ones about them, whereas those who chance their arm always seem to be buying, swapping and looking.

[howdeeposxxt 1,449]

Sometimes ur better off breeding off what you know than what people will tell you it's a lesson that takes some people a long time to learn should never go off grandparents look at the specimen that's in front of you

Never a truer word said, to many people trying to copy from more popular line so to speak. If they put in the time and patients maybe their own line could put any good line to the test. JMO. Which obviously takes time.

Edited September 15, 2015 by howdeeposxxt

[johnrussell84 2,881]

Your man with the Russells, and before him, must know what the produce in that line., are they Welsh stock.??. I've never dug or hunted in Scotland, but what kind of warrens like, ?

 

All areas will be different Pablo, where I work more old rabbit setts not particularly deep Defo not what some of the boys in here dig but demanding with pushing and persistence. I'm not saying that we should all be heading to breeding different xs. Just more opening to consideration, the older generation u never hear off as many failures in there day as to now and most off them men have nothing really to hide, if you stand at a show now a days u see things that either wouldn't be alowed to play in the garden incase they got dirty or a terrier that would struggle to fit down a man hole the size off them and these guys shout there off the best yet part with them after a few months. Everyone's got there opinions on them what should and shouldn't be allowed I was just looking for a view from the older boys

[foxbolter 447]

 

Sometimes ur better off breeding off what you know than what people will tell you it's a lesson that takes some people a long time to learn should never go off grandparents look at the specimen that's in front of you

Sorry mate but have to disagree .Whats infront of you should stand for years of breeding ,that said you can really only judge years of breeding by whats infront if you lol.

[foxbolter 447]

What's in front of you is useless do you still breed from it just cause it's line bred ?the answer I would give is no but some people are just kennel blind and think they got something they haven't were did scatter breeding come from who mentioned that it's amazes me why people make up things they don't know of people but there again they normally not happy with what they got they self's

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

Your need to take 5 and look at what your posting mate .One minute line breedings no good then the next its your thing .

No-one in their right mind breeds off a line bred thing if it dont work and all breeding to that branch should cease as well if all the pups in that litter never made the grade also .Your posts ,to me ,took on a path that rubbished line breeding therefore to me you must be scatter breeding .Whatever your doing mate ,good luck but please make it clear as youll find yourself the brunt of more arguing which thankfully has subsided lately .

[foxbolter 447]

Sometimes what's in front of you stands for years of breeding yes and some times you get good and sometimes you get shut that's why my argument is breed what's in front of you not what was behind it fox dropper don't be so pedantic obviously you think you have one he'll of a line and never get shet

[hjckcff 1,738]

I have over the years kept and bred a couple of crossbreds. plummer russells. laky rulssells. and border lakies. they all did the job fine. and some did it well. why is it some folk think they have better in there kennel than others when the truth is they may well not have. firstly I hear that you should breed best to best no exeptions then I here folk shouting about close breeding. at the end of the day close breeding is very restrictive only allowing the selective few quality dogs. this should in turn produce a high % of quality pups. that breed to type. I have always thought that you should breed the best to the best regardless of type or breed this takes away the restraints of line breeding.

 

ive asked a couple of lads that breed tight -would you use a dog that was exceptional to one of your terriers . they said no without a pause for thought ..

some of the best ive seen where bred best to best. and they where up there with the best. they may have had mixed breeding. but they had generations of quality working terrier dna. to write this off in a heartbeat seems foolish to me.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

Sometimes what's in front of you stands for years of breeding yes and some times you get good and sometimes you get shut that's why my argument is breed what's in front of you not what was behind it fox dropper don't be so pedantic obviously you think you have one he'll of a line and never get shet

Not at all mate but i do know that x bred to y will produce workers ,no ifs no buts or hopefuls.Your description of your own experiences says it all in buckets so maybe look to your own yard before questions another mans .

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

I have over the years kept and bred a couple of crossbreds. plummer russells. laky rulssells. and border lakies. they all did the job fine. and some did it well. why is it some folk think they have better in there kennel than others when the truth is they may well not have. firstly I hear that you should breed best to best no exeptions then I here folk shouting about close breeding. at the end of the day close breeding is very restrictive only allowing the selective few quality dogs. this should in turn produce a high % of quality pups. that breed to type. I have always thought that you should breed the best to the best regardless of type or breed this takes away the restraints of line breeding.

 

ive asked a couple of lads that breed tight -would you use a dog that was exceptional to one of your terriers . they said no without a pause for thought ..

some of the best ive seen where bred best to best. and they where up there with the best. they may have had mixed breeding. but they had generations of quality working terrier dna. to write this off in a heartbeat seems foolish to me.

 

The whole point of a line is to breed best to best within that line mate .Best to best of this and that can produce good stuff but what then .Its a gamble .The lads that have tge stuff have foresight as well as the ability to choose breeding stock .Producers of producers are the goal not one off world beaters

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

 

I have over the years kept and bred a couple of crossbreds. plummer russells. laky rulssells. and border lakies. they all did the job fine. and some did it well. why is it some folk think they have better in there kennel than others when the truth is they may well not have. firstly I hear that you should breed best to best no exeptions then I here folk shouting about close breeding. at the end of the day close breeding is very restrictive only allowing the selective few quality dogs. this should in turn produce a high % of quality pups. that breed to type. I have always thought that you should breed the best to the best regardless of type or breed this takes away the restraints of line breeding.

 

ive asked a couple of lads that breed tight -would you use a dog that was exceptional to one of your terriers . they said no without a pause for thought ..

some of the best ive seen where bred best to best. and they where up there with the best. they may have had mixed breeding. but they had generations of quality working terrier dna. to write this off in a heartbeat seems foolish to me.

The whole point of a line is to breed best to best within that line mate .Best to best of this and that can produce good stuff but what then .Its a gamble as many lads know.The lads that have the stuff have foresight as well as the ability to choose breeding stock .Producers of producers are the goal not one off world beaters