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It's impossible to expect everyone to have a deer dog, just couldn't be done. I do have a thermal spotter which is very handy, never had to chase a wounded deer with it though.

 I would however expect everyone to take the safest shot available with regard to a quick clean kill. You owe it to the quarry to make it as painless and stress free as possible.

I understand that not everyone can own a deer dog. I put that in my original reply, but if you go stalking you should absolutely have access to a proper deer dog. Its not hard. That's why I mentioned the UKSHA, I can't believe there aren't any members on here. There is also another similar organisation that does the same job...

Tracking wounded deer, usually free of charge.

So tell me what's a proper deer dog then??? Who decides what a proper deer dog is? Who decides the standard that identifies a proper deer dog, and you say it's usually free how long for ??? Till the forestry commission make them compulsory, due to the insistence of a minority opinion,we are complicating things for people, with no real need, it's not like America or Europe with a lot larger pray species, and a large proportion of bow hunters,

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What have the Forestry Commission got to do with anything?

 

A deer dog.

 

A dog that is dedicated for following up wounded deer, its not rocket science. It should be able to at least track hot foot scent of wounded deer.

 

Like I said in my original post, not a bird or rabbit dog that just has a good nose, this could find dead deer I am sure but not trail wounded deer.

 

It's not complicating anything for anybody ffs the UKSHA is an organisation of deer dog handlers who will, if phoned use their dogs to help you find your injured deer. They are voluteers. They don't charge and they have nothing to do with the Forestry Commission, (why would they?)

 

And they aren't the only ones that do it either.

 

Okay. The other organisation is the UKDTR

 

Www.ukdeertrackandrecovery.co.uk

 

The UKSHA is at.

 

Www.uksha.co.uk

 

See for yourself.

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Youve been missed Cap .

I do look in now and then for a read foxdropper but give up on posting due to some of the replies from certain individuals and made a decision a while ago not to stick my head above the parapet to get covered in the crap that some postees try to lob my way.

 

:tongue2:

So far it seems to be working :laugh:

Cheers

Stu.

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Well this post went down like a wet fart .

Nothing unusual there then :angel:

 

:laugh:

Not really stu, I didn't reply as I didn't agree with him, and didn't want to start an argument,I would never teach a dog to define individual a foot scent of a deer ,the dog is there to follow injured deer up only,I always taught my deer dogs to follow blood,to define the foot scent of a individual animal on a deer trod in scotland would be amazing, and there hundreds of them in some woods, and to trust that would be a long long day,crawling through pine forest,its the blood the dog should be on that picks one animal out of them all,or should do if hit in the first place,and the beauty of that is you can trust the dog to follow off lead,of course you can't stop a dog air scenting/or foot scenting but you can confirm what its following by the the sign of blood its self,the blood should be the main focus of a deer dog,not foot scent it will then follow up any injured animal extremely accurately,and keep us within the boundaries of the law on hunting with dogs,

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First and foremost in my view access to a trained deer dog will become compulsary and in some leases especially those administered by the Forestry Commision they are making it conditional on the lease.

 

However not every person involved in stalking deer owns a deer dog. I dont own one myself but I find it prudent that I do have different contact and communication to one if the situation arises.

 

I can usually track any run on deer using my own field craft skills but there has been a few occasions that I have been close to loosing one, perhaps I have been fortunate in my endevours so I dont rule out that this will never happen to me, any one with any modecum of experience would be foolish not to have a deer location dog on standby.

 

My type of stalking would not be succesful with a constant deer tracking companion either as I have tried it and is not for me. (Those are my personal views and I accept others may differ)

 

In my opinion it will become compulsary to have access to a deer dog and quite right to .

Shortly it will be added to the many certificates that Deerstalkers need before being allowed to stalk .

Just my opinion mind

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Yes I think it will become compulsory, and I think the forestry commission will be the main pushers of it,I don't agree it should be compulsory mind, and that's my opinion, what bothers me is technically forestry commission land is technically public land, which stalkers have pay a lot of money to get access to, unlike the other people who's access is free, and it is utilized by many different people, ie walkers, bike riders, horse riders,and all sorts of hobbies are undertaken on forestry commission land, yet they need no certificates to carry out there pastimes, if you were to look at the accident rates for each sport undertaken on forestry land, deerstalking I bet would have the lowest, if we have to have all this before we deer stalk, then all other shooting sports need certificates relevant to there sport too,and if the reasons are for animal welfare, our standards are probably one of the highest in Europe anyway, minimum calibers ensure the right rifle velocities,and most of the stalkers who stalk commercially are highly experienced people,who ensure the client is well capable of making the right shot,

 

We will get to a point where deer stalking for the average guy will be out of reach financially,as once it does become compulsory, they will start charging to use there dogs,the last thing we want do is have the sport ruled by elitists, or viewed as elitist,for my money it should remain good practice to have access to the services of a dog but not compulsory,

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Ohh make no mistake the bds will be at the forefront of a move to compulsory access to a trained dog the simple reason being they will know they can make money from certifying the dogs/handlers as competent

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Perhaps we should all be busying ourselves training dogs then, I will need a deer dog, rabbit dog, fox dog, squirrel dog, occasional rat dog, not to mention a gun dog, wow, going to be busy busy busy, or is it only a deer dog I need because they are far more important than any other mammals?

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Perhaps we should all be busying ourselves training dogs then, I will need a deer dog, rabbit dog, fox dog, squirrel dog, occasional rat dog, not to mention a gun dog, wow, going to be busy busy busy, or is it only a deer dog I need because they are far more important than any other mammals?

 

Don't forget a decent ferret. Every time I prick a rabbit I run home for my ferret. Completely unethical to dare shoot rabbits without access to a decent ferret. Fortunately it doesn't happen too often....

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Haha already got two,so I am fully equipped on that point :yes: I rather like a spot of trout fishing, so do I need a trout dog as well? And what breed would be best.

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Haha already got two,so I am fully equipped on that point :yes: I rather like a spot of trout fishing, so do I need a trout dog as well? And what breed would be best.

A Water Spaniel !!

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You all take my comment in jest but I am deadly serious theres already moves afoot to make it compulsory :victory: or am i scare mongering :tongue2: something i have been accused of in the past :D

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You all take my comment in jest but I am deadly serious theres already moves afoot to make it compulsory :victory: or am i scare mongering :tongue2: something i have been accused of in the past :D

yes we know and it should be stopped or challenged, it's crap,

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