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[brookie 1,193]

and a fit young prime holmes would whup the lot of them

[gnasher16 31,229]

Tyson could only fight who was available to him at the time Gnasher ,he had been World Champion for 3 years before Lewis had his first pro fight, Holyfield had just won his first Cruiser belt the same year Tyson got his first belt (1986).

Trevor Berbick w32 L 4 WBC

James Smith w19 L 5 WBA

Pinklon Thomas w29 L 1 d 1 IBF

Tony Tucker w34 L 0

Tyrell Biggs w 15 L 0

Larry Holmes w48 L 2

Tony Tubbs w24 L 1

Michael Spinks w31 L 0

Frank Bruno w32 L2

Carl Williams w22 L2

Buster Douglas w29 L4 d1 lost titles

They where decent enough fighters.Tyson first fought Holyfield in 1996 ten years after winning his first belt and fought Lewis in 2002. As for the Douglas fight it was common knowledge he was skipping training and going partying. He was even dropped heavy by one of his sparring partners Greg Page. The sparring partners pooled all there wages and bet on Douglas to win.In the Douglas fight Tyson got battered but still knocked a douglas out in the 8th round before himself getting knocked out in the 10th. I agree though Gnasher Tyson shouldn't have been fighting his head/heart just wasn't in it . Buster Douglas was simply in the right place at the right time and with his father recently dying he was well up for it.

Mick you didnt really need to write a list of opponents it was the worst era in heavyweight history we know that.....Tyson came along at the perfect time when the Witherspoon/Tubbs/Tate/Page era of overweight journeymen in any other era were around ....making Tyson a breath of fresh air.......yes he could only fight who was available same as any fighter can but Muhammed Ali wasnt the best heavyweight in history because of what he did against Brian London or Henry Cooper he was the best because of what he did against the greatest fighters of his era..................your list above doesnt contain the greatest fighters of Tysons era because the greatest fighters of his era knocked him out.

 

All this " his mind wasnt right " that people come out with is pathetic fighters are judged on what they do inside a boxing ring not outside....dig deep enough and excuses can be made for any fighter nobody clings to the fact that Holmes would of beat Tyson had they fought in his prime because Holmes life story hasnt been played out to the public like Tysons has....most fighters lives are not documented in such detail as Tysons so you either buy into the gripping Rocky story or you dont......for me boxing is a rough tough sport not a romantic film script so personally i dont and so i judge Tyson for what he was and thats the best fighter for a couple of years of a very poor era in heavyweight boxing.

[gnasher16 31,229]

If you look at most of tyson oponents most were well over 6 ft a lot were in the 6 ft 5 region Larry Holmes fair enough was over the hill but he never ever was dropped never mind banged out like that . Suppose we will never know but I do think tyson was the greatest. Most devestating fighter the world has seen .

Who ? apart from Biggs i cant remember any 6 ft 5 plus fighters that Tyson didnt struggle with.

[gnasher16 31,229]

 

never in a million years would mike tyson have beaten holmes on a level playing field .holmes would have jabbed his head of .to the point he would have ridiculed him

 

 

You seem very high on Holmes Brookie ive heard a few very knowledgeable boxing folk over the years say the same....the old trainer Denny Mancini used to say he would of given anything to of worked with Holmes.....Mickey Duff always said he would of beat a prime Ali......im not sure id go that far but i do agree he was very underated and without doubt had the best jab of any heavyweight through history.

[Taggy123 59]

Tysons era surely isnt as bad as it is now. I cant think of one heavy weight fighter i would stop up till 3 in the morning to watch at the minute like i would stay up and watch a tyson fight. Maybe we need another tyson now to clean up this lot that are about now.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

Tyson could only fight who was available to him at the time Gnasher ,he had been World Champion for 3 years before Lewis had his first pro fight, Holyfield had just won his first Cruiser belt the same year Tyson got his first belt (1986).

Trevor Berbick w32 L 4 WBC

James Smith w19 L 5 WBA

Pinklon Thomas w29 L 1 d 1 IBF

Tony Tucker w34 L 0

Tyrell Biggs w 15 L 0

Larry Holmes w48 L 2

Tony Tubbs w24 L 1

Michael Spinks w31 L 0

Frank Bruno w32 L2

Carl Williams w22 L2

Buster Douglas w29 L4 d1 lost titles

They where decent enough fighters.Tyson first fought Holyfield in 1996 ten years after winning his first belt and fought Lewis in 2002. As for the Douglas fight it was common knowledge he was skipping training and going partying. He was even dropped heavy by one of his sparring partners Greg Page. The sparring partners pooled all there wages and bet on Douglas to win.In the Douglas fight Tyson got battered but still knocked a douglas out in the 8th round before himself getting knocked out in the 10th. I agree though Gnasher Tyson shouldn't have been fighting his head/heart just wasn't in it . Buster Douglas was simply in the right place at the right time and with his father recently dying he was well up for it.

Mick you didnt really need to write a list of opponents it was the worst era in heavyweight history we know that.....Tyson came along at the perfect time when the Witherspoon/Tubbs/Tate/Page era of overweight journeymen in any other era were around ....making Tyson a breath of fresh air.......yes he could only fight who was available same as any fighter can but Muhammed Ali wasnt the best heavyweight in history because of what he did against Brian London or Henry Cooper he was the best because of what he did against the greatest fighters of his era..................your list above doesnt contain the greatest fighters of Tysons era because the greatest fighters of his era knocked him out.

 

All this " his mind wasnt right " that people come out with is pathetic fighters are judged on what they do inside a boxing ring not outside....dig deep enough and excuses can be made for any fighter nobody clings to the fact that Holmes would of beat Tyson had they fought in his prime because Holmes life story hasnt been played out to the public like Tysons has....most fighters lives are not documented in such detail as Tysons so you either buy into the gripping Rocky story or you dont......for me boxing is a rough tough sport not a romantic film script so personally i dont and so i judge Tyson for what he was and thats the best fighter for a couple of years of a very poor era in heavyweight boxing.

What makes you think Holmes would have beaten Tyson in his prime? Hell even the average Earnie Shavers had him almost out and he couldn't carry Tyson's jockstrap, the same goes for Renaldo Snipes.

[MickC 1,825]

Gnasher as you say Tyson was knocked out by the greatest fighters of his era, so on that analysis where would you rank Lewis ? Lewis was knocked out twice off fighters who were anything but the greatest of there era. I know what your saying but regards to the Lewis/Tyson fight that took place sixteen years after Tyson won his first belt,Lewis full career wasnt even as long as that. I think during that era Bowe was a wasted talent who achieved a lot but could have achieved even more,who would you have fancied between Bowe/Lewis ?

Edited February 27, 2015 by MickC

[gnasher16 31,229]

 

What makes you think Holmes would have beaten Tyson in his prime? Hell even the average Earnie Shavers had him almost out and he couldn't carry Tyson's jockstrap, the same goes for Renaldo Snipes.

 

For the simple reason that Tyson was made for fighters with a good jab....look at how certain fighters struggle with certain styles Tyson looked bad against mediocre fighters who could jab what would he of been like against an all time great jab ?.....The late 70,s early ,s Holmes that beat Shavers and Norton had great skills and the heart to go with it Tyson didnt have the heart Holmes had to get off the floor and come back.Tyson sat on his stool pleading with his trainer not to go out for the 8th round against Lewis thats fighting heart you either have or you dont regardless how washed up you are.

 

This constant " past his best " excuse that follows Tyson around just has no logic.......Ali beat all time great fighters like Frazier and Foreman when he was past his best he was a shell of the fighter that beat Liston yet we still judge him as an all time great based on those Frazier/Foreman/Norton fights ( the second part of his career ) ........what gives Tyson a free pass on the second part of his career ?

Edited February 27, 2015 by gnasher16

[gnasher16 31,229]

Gnasher as you say Tyson was knocked out by the greatest fighters of his era, so on that analysis where would you rank Lewis ? Lewis was knocked out twice off fighters who were anything but the greatest of there era. I know what your saying but regards to the Lewis/Tyson fight that took place sixteen years after Tyson won his first belt,Lewis full career wasnt even as long as that. I think during that era Bowe was a wasted talent who achieved a lot but could have achieved even more,who would you have fancied between Bowe/Lewis ?

Tyson wasnt just knocked out by Holyfield and Lewis he was systematically beaten up.....Lewis was 1 punch sparked im sure you can appreciate the difference.

 

What difference does the 16 years make Lewis was still the older man its not his fault that Tyson was being hand walked to the title of youngest champion in history.

 

Bowe/Lewis id say around the time Bowe trashed his belt rather than fight him would of been his best chance but a later Lewis ( the dreadlocked version ) i dont think Bowe would of heard the final bell....whats your thoughts ?

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

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What makes you think Holmes would have beaten Tyson in his prime? Hell even the average Earnie Shavers had him almost out and he couldn't carry Tyson's jockstrap, the same goes for Renaldo Snipes.

For the simple reason that Tyson was made for fighters with a good jab....look at how certain fighters struggle with certain styles Tyson looked bad against mediocre fighters who could jab what would he of been like against an all time great jab ?.....The late 70,s early ,s Holmes that beat Shavers and Norton had great skills and the heart to go with it Tyson didnt have the heart Holmes had to get off the floor and come back.Tyson sat on his stool pleading with his trainer not to go out for the 8th round against Lewis thats fighting heart you either have or you dont regardless how washed up you are.

 

This constant " past his best " excuse that follows Tyson around just has no logic.......Ali beat all time great fighters like Frazier and Foreman when he was past his best he was a shell of the fighter that beat Liston yet we still judge him as an all time great based on those Frazier/Foreman/Norton fights ( the second part of his career ) ........what gives Tyson a free pass on the second part of his career ?

 

I wouldn't say Tyson was made for fighters with good jabs at all, Pinklon Thomas and Carl Williams both had world class jabs, in fact one could argue that Williams beat Holmes when they fought. Tyson dispatched those two with relative ease. Holmes could have all the heart in the world but once Tyson put him down he'd finish the job, he was no Earnie Shavers at finishing a fight.

[brookie 1,193]

 

 

What makes you think Holmes would have beaten Tyson in his prime? Hell even the average Earnie Shavers had him almost out and he couldn't carry Tyson's jockstrap, the same goes for Renaldo Snipes.

 

For the simple reason that Tyson was made for fighters with a good jab....look at how certain fighters struggle with certain styles Tyson looked bad against mediocre fighters who could jab what would he of been like against an all time great jab ?.....The late 70,s early ,s Holmes that beat Shavers and Norton had great skills and the heart to go with it Tyson didnt have the heart Holmes had to get off the floor and come back.Tyson sat on his stool pleading with his trainer not to go out for the 8th round against Lewis thats fighting heart you either have or you dont regardless how washed up you are.

 

This constant " past his best " excuse that follows Tyson around just has no logic.......Ali beat all time great fighters like Frazier and Foreman when he was past his best he was a shell of the fighter that beat Liston yet we still judge him as an all time great based on those Frazier/Foreman/Norton fights ( the second part of his career ) ........what gives Tyson a free pass on the second part of his career ?

 

very good post this gnash

[Hareydave 1,214]

Bruno near had Tyson away

[MickC 1,825]

Gnasher I think like you say had Lewis/Bowe fought at the time he put the belt in the bin , had it happened around that time, we could have seen a classic. Had it happened later on I would have favoured Lewis comfortably and he was a better fighter under Manuel Steward. ( not sure when Lewis first fought under Steward though ) Bowe had it all but just didn't seem to achieve his full potential, who could forget the three fights with Holyfield. Another fighter who went down a wrong path and could have been a great Heavyweight I think was Ike Ibeabauchi.

[gnasher16 31,229]

 

I wouldn't say Tyson was made for fighters with good jabs at all, Pinklon Thomas and Carl Williams both had world class jabs, in fact one could argue that Williams beat Holmes when they fought. Tyson dispatched those two with relative ease. Holmes could have all the heart in the world but once Tyson put him down he'd finish the job, he was no Earnie Shavers at finishing a fight.

Of all the dead bodies Tyson knocked over in them early days they were 2 of the worst fights of all.......Thomas didnt throw a punch in 6 petrified rounds and Williams well that wasnt even a fight......what makes you think Tyson could of got past Holmes jab to put him down ? he couldnt get past very average jabs like Tucker/Green/Smith when he was in this " prime " what reason is there to think he could get past the greatest jab in the history of the division ?.......and if he couldnt what would his plan b of been ? he didnt have one.

[gnasher16 31,229]

Gnasher I think like you say had Lewis/Bowe fought at the time he put the belt in the bin , had it happened around that time, we could have seen a classic. Had it happened later on I would have favoured Lewis comfortably and he was a better fighter under Manuel Steward. ( not sure when Lewis first fought under Steward though ) Bowe had it all but just didn't seem to achieve his full potential, who could forget the three fights with Holyfield. Another fighter who went down a wrong path and could have been a great Heavyweight I think was Ike Ibeabauchi.

If im not mistaken Eddie Futch gave up on Bowe and refused to train him as he wouldnt diet or train properly.....Ibeabuchi V Lewis would of been a cracking fight dont you think ?......a strange one for me Mick was Corrie Sanders i remember watching him knock out Klitchko and wondering why id not paid much attention to him before he looked a million dollars in that fight....even Bonecrusher you could say was wasted talent after giving Holmes a good fight he blasts Witherspoon out in a round and then feebly surrenders for 12 rounds to Tyson !....It could be said a lot of them ,s fighters like Tate/Tubbs/Thomas/Douglas/Weaver all wasted talent but most of them were coked up to the eyeballs hence what i say about the ease Tyson moved through the division that in any other era wouldnt of been possible.