Gm Trials Given Go-Ahead

[WILF 51,797]

A good start would be to avoid the likes of the big super markets in favour of local suppliers, we are chucking away 7 million tons of food and drink a year !!!......one o the big reasons is that instead if buying what we need that day, we go to supermarkets and freight up with multi packs of this and that.....an amount of this then gos out of date and gets chucked.

 

They sell like this for one reason, revenue !!

 

Ahh, but we don't have time I hear you say.......you don't have time because you are having to work so f***ing hard to pay the government the extortionate amounts it demands in tax, stealth tax etc etc

 

Everything is inter connected, low tax, low control, local low consumption.......unfortunately it may mean having to give up your latest mod con ?.......ahh, don't really want to do that now do we !

 

No, let's keep the 50inch flat screen, pay the man and let firms like Monsanto tell us what we can and can't eat.........nothing is worth losing the telly now is it !

[Blackbriar 8,569]

I haven't seen the film, Wilf so I can't offer any comment on that, mate.

 

Case in point - A couple or three years ago, the price of rice sky-rocketed here. This was because India (one of the world's largest producers) did not keep back enough reserves of rice for their own population. People died in the riots that followed the price of their own rice doubling overnight, as a result of the principles of supply and demand. The following year, the Indian government massively increased the amount they kept for themselves. Those same principles reduced our supply and hiked up prices for us.

 

our species hasn't died out yet, but there's never been so many of us !

[WILF 51,797]

It's an interesting debate Blackbriar, but I fear I am sounding a bit like David Icke.......people are being kept alive artificially by governments for one reason, revenue !......more people equals more money !

[MickC 1,825]

We do not need or want GM food,mother nature has fed us all for 1000s of years mostly trouble free apart from a few famines and droughts which always occur in the same parts of the world. For a start if we were truly short of food we wouldn't be paying Farmers to leave fields empty such as the set aside grants and other grants available. GM food as already stated is more for a sinister reason than for feeding more people, however the " Elite" will bring GM food in and well all pay for the privilege while they reap even more money from us. Don't forget markets and needs are controlled by Governments and can easily be manipulated to be artificially high or low to suit the share holders etc and not the man on the street.

Edited April 19, 2014 by MickC

[tandors 888]

our own population is going down obviously the worlds population is unsustainable not our problem if europe and america stopped food aid tomorrow the worlds population would be down to a more sustainable level within a year.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

It's an interesting debate Blackbriar, but I fear I am sounding a bit like David Icke.......people are being kept alive artificially by governments for one reason, revenue !......more people equals more money !

 

A good start would be to avoid the likes of the big super markets in favour of local suppliers, we are chucking away 7 million tons of food and drink a year !!!......one o the big reasons is that instead if buying what we need that day, we go to supermarkets and freight up with multi packs of this and that.....an amount of this then gos out of date and gets chucked.

 

They sell like this for one reason, revenue !!

 

Ahh, but we don't have time I hear you say.......you don't have time because you are having to work so f*****g hard to pay the government the extortionate amounts it demands in tax, stealth tax etc etc

 

Everything is inter connected, low tax, low control, local low consumption.......unfortunately it may mean having to give up your latest mod con ?.......ahh, don't really want to do that now do we !

 

No, let's keep the 50inch flat screen, pay the man and let firms like Monsanto tell us what we can and can't eat.........nothing is worth losing the telly now is it !

Food waste is one of my biggest bug-bears !

i agree with you 1,000% - eat seasonally wherever you can, get to know your local grocer, reduce your waste and, ultimately, produce some food yourself - even if it's only a few potatoes in a big pot ! Forget strawberries in October, dig out some left-overs recipes, use your nearest market instead of the Big 4 cathedrals of over-consumption.

 

And you don't sound like David Icke, mate.

Edited April 19, 2014 by Blackbriar

[Blackbriar 8,569]

We do not need or want GM food,mother nature has fed us all for 1000s of years mostly trouble free apart from a few famines and droughts which always occur in the same parts of the world. For a start if we were truly short of food we wouldn't be paying Farmers to leave fields empty such as the set aside grants and other grants available. GM food as already stated is more for a sinister reason than for feeding more people, however the " Elite" will bring GM food in and well all pay for the privilege while they reap even more money from us. Don't forget markets and needs are controlled by Governments and can easily be manipulated to be artificially high or low to suit the share holders etc and not the man on the street.

Have you ever thought that the grants and payments not to farm are used to artificially inflate prices?

I don't know if you're old enough to remember the EU 'wine lake' or the 'butter mountain' some years ago, but they happened as a result of policies which guaranteed farmers a fixed price for their produce, whether it was needed or not. So, you're right - it's not a 'free market', and it certainly isn't run for our benefit !

 

You say that , mother nature has fed us so far, but I'll repeat - there has never been so many of, and there's only going to be more !

 

So what would you do, Mick?

Edited April 19, 2014 by Blackbriar

[Themoocher 231]

A good start would be to avoid the likes of the big super markets in favour of local suppliers, we are chucking away 7 million tons of food and drink a year !!!......one o the big reasons is that instead if buying what we need that day, we go to supermarkets and freight up with multi packs of this and that.....an amount of this then gos out of date and gets chucked.

They sell like this for one reason, revenue !!

Ahh, but we don't have time I hear you say.......you don't have time because you are having to work so f*****g hard to pay the government the extortionate amounts it demands in tax, stealth tax etc etc

Everything is inter connected, low tax, low control, local low consumption.......unfortunately it may mean having to give up your latest mod con ?.......ahh, don't really want to do that now do we !

No, let's keep the 50inch flat screen, pay the man and let firms like Monsanto tell us what we can and can't eat.........nothing is worth losing the telly now is it !

I think times have changed so much.

Me personally me and my wife work full time.

What do I do?

Go shopping on sat afternoon and wast a sat trampling round local shops.

Or go tesco at 2100hrs on week night?

It's all convince, local shops can't compete with the convince.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

our own population is going down obviously the worlds population is unsustainable not our problem if europe and america stopped food aid tomorrow the worlds population would be down to a more sustainable level within a year.

And that is the real heart of the problem ! We can get around the effects of floods, droughts and so on (they are only temporary, after all). But the amount of viable land we have at our disposal can only produce a finite amount of food, which can only feed a certain number of mouths.

 

I don't think it's too long until we reach the tipping point !

Edited April 19, 2014 by Blackbriar

[MickC 1,825]

Some valid points BB however controlling a Country or the Worlds food you can then control that Country/ World,simply put man can not live without food and the movers and shakers know this. Take for example BandAid iirc that was in 1984 and we are still to this day sending them food. Why didn't we send them the machines/technology to make and feed themselves ? The simple answer is money,if a country can feed itself then the people supplying them with food make no money and they are no longer needed and hence it will be deemed a lost revenue to learn/help them to feed themselves. Iraq is another example ,when the USA " liberated " them they banned the local crops which they had used since the beginning of time and now they have to buy the " approved "crops they need from the Coalition forces in charge,hence they then created another market to make money from.

[Blackbriar 8,569]

Some valid points BB however controlling a Country or the Worlds food you can then control that Country/ World,simply put man can not live without food and the movers and shakers know this. Take for example BandAid iirc that was in 1984 and we are still to this day sending them food. Why didn't we send them the machines/technology to make and feed themselves ? The simple answer is money,if a country can feed itself then the people supplying them with food make no money and they are no longer needed and hence it will be deemed a lost revenue to learn/help them to feed themselves. Iraq is another example ,when the USA " liberated " them they banned the local crops which they had used since the beginning of time and now they have to buy the " approved "crops they need from the Coalition forces in charge,hence they then created another market to make money from.

Bang on, mate. Give a man a fish and he will feed himself for a day. Give him a net, and he can fish for a lifetime !

 

We have a lot of influence over the food supply of several African countries - and our continued 'aid', debt relief and support for the incumbent government is dependent usually on them spending it with us ! In effect, we give them money to buy stuff back from us.

 

But (I'm repeating myself here, I know) my biggest concern isn't for other countries, but for my own. 40% of UK food supply is outside of our control.... 40% !!

[tandors 888]

the simple fact regarding africa is they are not good ay farming, a bloke i work with is married to a zimbabwean woman and owns a ranch out there and employs her family to look after it while he lives and works here with her. he loses huge amounts of money he sends seeds and tools over they just sell them and they just ate all the livestock he bought for them and just keep coming back cap in hand for more handouts. multiply that situation by a full continent propped up unsustainably on foreign aid with a huge over population problem.

[MickC 1,825]

It's a strange one this but basically the Worlds poorest Countries are actually the biggest markets/money makers for the Worlds richest Countries.They supply all the food,equipment mass immunisation etc etc and they make Billions supplying it. I remember the old Oxfam add also " give a man a bowl of rice and feed him for a day,give him the tools to grow his own rice and feed him for life" .In the Uk we can easily feed ourselves and then some,simply put if there is deemed to be too much food available the prices will be cheaper and this can not be allowed to happen. Food is a necessity but it is also a commodity exploited by those in charge for monetary gain,and the supply and markets are controlled accordingly to suit them.

[WILF 51,797]

 

A good start would be to avoid the likes of the big super markets in favour of local suppliers, we are chucking away 7 million tons of food and drink a year !!!......one o the big reasons is that instead if buying what we need that day, we go to supermarkets and freight up with multi packs of this and that.....an amount of this then gos out of date and gets chucked.

They sell like this for one reason, revenue !!

Ahh, but we don't have time I hear you say.......you don't have time because you are having to work so f*****g hard to pay the government the extortionate amounts it demands in tax, stealth tax etc etc

Everything is inter connected, low tax, low control, local low consumption.......unfortunately it may mean having to give up your latest mod con ?.......ahh, don't really want to do that now do we !

No, let's keep the 50inch flat screen, pay the man and let firms like Monsanto tell us what we can and can't eat.........nothing is worth losing the telly now is it !

I think times have changed so much.

Me personally me and my wife work full time.

What do I do?

Go shopping on sat afternoon and wast a sat trampling round local shops.

Or go tesco at 2100hrs on week night?

It's all convince, local shops can't compete with the convince.

In other words, exactly where politicians want you to be, like most of us, a slave to the bills.

Free men don't pay and so are no use to governments

 

This is why things like GM and companies like Minsanto should be resisted......cutting off your nose to spite your face it maybe, but well worth it if even to hold back the tide if slavery just a little longer

Edited April 19, 2014 by WILF

[MickC 1,825]

the simple fact regarding africa is they are not good ay farming, a bloke i work with is married to a zimbabwean woman and owns a ranch out there and employs her family to look after it while he lives and works here with her. he loses huge amounts of money he sends seeds and tools over they just sell them and they just ate all the livestock he bought for them and just keep coming back cap in hand for more handouts. multiply that situation by a full continent propped up unsustainably on foreign aid with a huge over population problem.

Therein lies the problem,they have had "handouts" for so long they have lost the ability/skills to grow there own food. The Foreign aid would be better served to supply them with machinery/technology and Educate them on how to grow and feed themselves. However if they did teach them to make and grow there own food Billions would be lost in the Revenue made from these Countries.

 

Sp

Edited April 19, 2014 by MickC