Miners Strike And Me Itv Now

[tatsblisters 10,947]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thing is Malt £1.2 Billion a year subsidies how much IS acceptable then before the plug is pulled £2 billion? £5 Billion? £10 Billion? £50 Billion?

 

This isn't a state vs private ownership issue it's part of this thread,

 

I've said already I felt for the miners they were caught up in a political argument but I say again it's 30years ago, to have families not talking because of something that happened due to work is laughable at best but more pathetic. The recent protests televised around the world when Margret Thatcher died in Rotherham/Barnsley were cringeworthy it looked just like they were locked in a bitter time warp.

 

Again why does no one question the pits closed under labour prior to Thatchers govt , and if they were so successful why didn't Labour reopen them again a few years after?

Because their was other jobs to go to with in the industry when thatcher decided to shut the pits all in one go their was f**k all jobs in these areas to fall back on thats why men like me stood their ground and put up a fekin fight unlike the people today who are happy with their situation no matter how much the politicians keep shiting on us.

 

OK I ask again how much tax payers money is acceptable as a subsidiary before the pits should have been closed ?

 

The same amount thats used now to prop up companys thats makeing millions in profit wile most of their workforce are claiming tax credits.

 

Which is how much I ask again? In your opinion tell me befo,re YOU think it is no longer viable how much should the country pay to keep an industry that is unable to sustain itself ????

 

Who said the mineing industry couldent sustain its self ?? Oh yes thatcher and the torys.

 

Of course Thatcher how silly of me, forget facts lets just burn the witch.

 

So her and her goverment did not tell lies then.

 

"News Flash" Every government tells lies maybe you've not been round long enough to find this out forgive me mate I don't know.

I will ask this question with the fear of becoming boring HOW MUCH is acceptable to fund and continue a coal mine that is not profitable?

 

You tell me and for your info i have been around long enough to know i would sooner my taxes go to keeping men in work than them drawing dole.

[WILF 49,895]

Liverpool or should i say royal seaforth is the second largest container port in the uk. Out strips mushtown n tonage by miles think you are talking about the cruise terminal think you need to face fact baring the boat show and one lap dancing club mush town is second best in the tourist market , lol and when L2 comes on line think you will see the gap widen even further

That port will be fully mechanised with about 100 men doing the job that unions in the old days would have insisted needed a 1000.

You know that's how it would of been and so does anyone else with a brain.

 

In the late 70s and early 80s, any mention of modern systems at the cost of manpower would have been fought tooth and nail.

That's the reality, without breaking the unions there would be no docks at all.

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

Liverpool or should i say royal seaforth is the second largest container port in the uk. Out strips mushtown n tonage by miles think you are talking about the cruise terminal think you need to face fact baring the boat show and one lap dancing club mush town is second best in the tourist market , lol and when L2 comes on line think you will see the gap widen even further

That port will be fully mechanised with about 100 men doing the job that unions in the old days would have insisted needed a 1000.

You know that's how it would of been and so does anyone else with a brain.

In the late 70s and early 80s, any mention of modern systems at the cost of manpower would have been fought tooth and nail.

That's the reality, without breaking the unions there would be no docks at all.

. Progress wll never be stopped there were 50,000 dockers at the hight of the general cargo trade in liverpool alone 14 miles of docks the imfamous cage system of hiring labour , i could go on and on about the mines docks steel industries , the back bone of the nation , yes there were bad unions yes there was corruption , no more than any tory or new labour. Carpet bagger , ever worked down a pit or tunnle wilf or unloaded 50,000 frozen lambs of a ship. To stand in a cage the next day waiting to get picked to work , unions grew to defend the man no more no less. Ill never convince any one who has there own views dont want to , my opinions thats all

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thing is Malt £1.2 Billion a year subsidies how much IS acceptable then before the plug is pulled £2 billion? £5 Billion? £10 Billion? £50 Billion?

This isn't a state vs private ownership issue it's part of this thread,

I've said already I felt for the miners they were caught up in a political argument but I say again it's 30years ago, to have families not talking because of something that happened due to work is laughable at best but more pathetic. The recent protests televised around the world when Margret Thatcher died in Rotherham/Barnsley were cringeworthy it looked just like they were locked in a bitter time warp.

Again why does no one question the pits closed under labour prior to Thatchers govt , and if they were so successful why didn't Labour reopen them again a few years after?

 

Because their was other jobs to go to with in the industry when thatcher decided to shut the pits all in one go their was f**k all jobs in these areas to fall back on thats why men like me stood their ground and put up a fekin fight unlike the people today who are happy with their situation no matter how much the politicians keep shiting on us.

OK I ask again how much tax payers money is acceptable as a subsidiary before the pits should have been closed ?

The same amount thats used now to prop up companys thats makeing millions in profit wile most of their workforce are claiming tax credits.

Which is how much I ask again? In your opinion tell me befo,re YOU think it is no longer viable how much should the country pay to keep an industry that is unable to sustain itself ????

Who said the mineing industry couldent sustain its self ?? Oh yes thatcher and the torys.

Of course Thatcher how silly of me, forget facts lets just burn the witch.

you will have to dig her up first Edited March 16, 2014 by gonetoearth

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

 

 

Thing is Malt £1.2 Billion a year subsidies how much IS acceptable then before the plug is pulled £2 billion? £5 Billion? £10 Billion? £50 Billion?

This isn't a state vs private ownership issue it's part of this thread,

I've said already I felt for the miners they were caught up in a political argument but I say again it's 30years ago, to have families not talking because of something that happened due to work is laughable at best but more pathetic. The recent protests televised around the world when Margret Thatcher died in Rotherham/Barnsley were cringeworthy it looked just like they were locked in a bitter time warp.

Again why does no one question the pits closed under labour prior to Thatchers govt , and if they were so successful why didn't Labour reopen them again a few years after?

 

Because their was other jobs to go to with in the industry when thatcher decided to shut the pits all in one go their was f**k all jobs in these areas to fall back on thats why men like me stood their ground and put up a fekin fight unlike the people today who are happy with their situation no matter how much the politicians keep shiting on us.

OK I ask again how much tax payers money is acceptable as a subsidiary before the pits should have been closed ?

The same amount thats used now to prop up companys thats makeing millions in profit wile most of their workforce are claiming tax credits.

Which is how much I ask again? In your opinion tell me befo,re YOU think it is no longer viable how much should the country pay to keep an industry that is unable to sustain itself ????

. Lol. The banks could sustain them selves the biggest bail out in the history of the world were you asleep

[pritch 335]

Max, I have said it before and I will say it again.......who is this mythical "working man"

I am, you are, GTE is.....even Foney Blair is

 

The difference is, the big money earners know the score.....spread a nice few quid around but keep most for yourself because you did the deal to make it happen.

 

Unions and nationalised industry is just take, take, take and always wanting more with no give back.

 

Orwell hit the nail on the head when it comes to unions and socialists " everyone is equal, but some are more equal than other"

you do talk some shite when has the working class EVER had anything 95% of the money in this & most countries

is & has always been held by a few % of it's population.does that seem right to you(it probably does) and how did

they get this wealth do you think they all earned it,got off there arses & grafted as you put it,and thatcher came from

nowt,gi your self a shake,she got where she got the same way they all do by lieing,conniving,scheming & cheating

her way to the top.she was just better at it than most.300 years worth of coal left to ruin in the ground well we could

do with it now eh but no we have to doff are cap to russia & take any shite they care to deal out,she's left the country

much better off

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thing is Malt £1.2 Billion a year subsidies how much IS acceptable then before the plug is pulled £2 billion? £5 Billion? £10 Billion? £50 Billion?

This isn't a state vs private ownership issue it's part of this thread,

I've said already I felt for the miners they were caught up in a political argument but I say again it's 30years ago, to have families not talking because of something that happened due to work is laughable at best but more pathetic. The recent protests televised around the world when Margret Thatcher died in Rotherham/Barnsley were cringeworthy it looked just like they were locked in a bitter time warp.

Again why does no one question the pits closed under labour prior to Thatchers govt , and if they were so successful why didn't Labour reopen them again a few years after?

 

Because their was other jobs to go to with in the industry when thatcher decided to shut the pits all in one go their was f**k all jobs in these areas to fall back on thats why men like me stood their ground and put up a fekin fight unlike the people today who are happy with their situation no matter how much the politicians keep shiting on us.

OK I ask again how much tax payers money is acceptable as a subsidiary before the pits should have been closed ?

The same amount thats used now to prop up companys thats makeing millions in profit wile most of their workforce are claiming tax credits.

Which is how much I ask again? In your opinion tell me befo,re YOU think it is no longer viable how much should the country pay to keep an industry that is unable to sustain itself ????

Who said the mineing industry couldent sustain its self ?? Oh yes thatcher and the torys.

Of course Thatcher how silly of me, forget facts lets just burn the witch.

So her and her goverment did not tell lies then.

"News Flash" Every government tells lies maybe you've not been round long enough to find this out forgive me mate I don't know.

I will ask this question with the fear of becoming boring HOW MUCH is acceptable to fund and continue a coal mine that is not profitable?

. You entertain me why do you think there is 30 year rule on the release of documents From goverment Answers please Edited March 16, 2014 by gonetoearth

[WILF 49,895]

 

Max, I have said it before and I will say it again.......who is this mythical "working man"

I am, you are, GTE is.....even Foney Blair is

The difference is, the big money earners know the score.....spread a nice few quid around but keep most for yourself because you did the deal to make it happen.

Unions and nationalised industry is just take, take, take and always wanting more with no give back.

Orwell hit the nail on the head when it comes to unions and socialists " everyone is equal, but some are more equal than other"

 

you do talk some shite when has the working class EVER had anything 95% of the money in this & most countries

is & has always been held by a few % of it's population.does that seem right to you(it probably does) and how did

they get this wealth do you think they all earned it,got off there arses & grafted as you put it,and thatcher came from

nowt,gi your self a shake,she got where she got the same way they all do by lieing,conniving,scheming & cheating

her way to the top.she was just better at it than most.300 years worth of coal left to ruin in the ground well we could

do with it now eh but no we have to doff are cap to russia & take any shite they care to deal out,she's left the country

much better off

There's and old saying....."if you could do what they can do, they'd be working for you"

 

Know what I mean Billy Bragg

[pritch 335]

aye i know the saying & i'm also sharp enough to know it's a load of bollox.you keep moaning about unions

but the rich & powerful have had there own clubs long before the working man had his,the difference being

they held theirs in secrete with dodgy hand shakes & such to promote their interests, but hey i bet it was all

legal & above board eh. better billy brag than coco the clown

[Tiercel 6,986]

Wilf,

 

Your consistant i'll give you that. I know nothing of your circumstances save what you have posted on here. But it does beg the question why would anyone who professes to be such a strong tory and by the answers in this thread has inferred that through hard work has done well for himself, still seek out the company of people who are in his own words moaners and whingers?

 

It cannot be that it is because it is a hunting site, I am willing to stand corrected on this, but I have yet to see a hunting related post made by you, obviously you may have made them but I cannot remeber one.

 

It could be that you are on a big wind-up and are posting for the reaction. Or it could be that you do not have an ounce of humility in your body and are enjoying rubbing peoples faces in your inferred success in life. Who knows? Only you I suppose, but a person who does not have humility has nothing.

 

You are fond of old sayings so here is one for you."There but for the grace of God go I."

 

TC

Edited March 16, 2014 by tiercel

[WILF 49,895]

I have never ever said I have done well for myself!!.......I get a living like anyon else, nothing more nothing less.

 

I can't complain, my kids have grub in their belly, my wife can pay the bills, I need new windows and my house rendering ?.......not exactly lifestyles of the rich and famous is it.

 

I've had bundles, I've had nothing and I've had somewhere in between.......and I wasn't in the least bit bothered either way.

 

What you won't hear me say is that my kids can't eat but it's not my fault.

[gnasher16 31,416]

ok ray , hope your well pal im not going to read past this point as even though its over 30 years ago , I have 1st hand experience of my auld man being out on strike for over a year . everyone has there view and are perfectly entitled to them . but let me assure you , people suffered badly families torn apart . wounds that will never heal . I came from a line of miners , my dad being the last , I never made it to the pits as I was 15 . maybe a good thing . but if you didn't go through it then you will never know the real depth of feeling of seeing your way of life coming to an end , and being hungry at the same time . as for Baw , it wasn't just the mining villages that were affected , and it wasn't just a few collieries shut . YES we have to move on , BUT it doesn't mean its easy . atb Benny

 

Howdy Ben hope alls good with you i have to be honest i dont have a great interest in politics it bores me to be honest.......what i do have an interest in though is human nature and the way people just follow suit and accept their lot with no real desire to rise above the norm........im sure it was no fun and my heart go,s out to folk who genuinely saw hard times.......but we all have hard times..... its the basic blame culture in preference to ambition and desire handed down through stale generations of whingers that amazes me.............it puts me in mind of these junkies you see on the Jeremy Kyle show blaming their parents for putting them in care like thats a reasonable excuse for being a f**k up !......Hard times in any walk of life are never easy i suppose it comes down to basic human nature again you get people who with their back to the wall come out fighting others just stay victims forever.

[The Seeker 3,048]

. You entertain me why do you think there is 30 year rule on the release of documents From goverment Answers please

 

 

Im glad you are entertained, i admit i find some of your posts equally amusing. There is a 30 year rule to allow us to see governent documentation without it we wouldn't get to see it, the public records act was in 1958 your not going to pin this one on Thatchers govt also are you?

[The Seeker 3,048]

You tell Us what you think is acceptable.

For me as above whatever it takes to stop British Men drawing Dole and communities getting ravaged.

At least 11 Billion because they feel its ok to give that away to Foreign Country's before sorting our own Mess out.

So come on what do you deem acceptable ?

That's just it, I'm not the one saying a non profitable coal industry should have been subsidised by public money, certainly to the tune of £1.2 Billion a year!. I don't deem it acceptable. If you think I'm having a go at miners I assure you I'm not, I just object to a victim and blame culture where everything is the fault of Thatcher or the Torys, not the fact that the pits were unprofitable or the Unions were arrogant or the previous Labour governemnts closed more pits than she did.

 

I agree with you on foreign aid it's ridiculas giving billions to other countries such as India when they have the money for a nuclear arsenal and can send a rocket into space whilst their children are starving but that's for another discussion I feel.

[pritch 335]

blame culture ffs, do people blame her for putting plain clothes police & army in with the miners crowd

to incite & start trouble to turn public opinion against them.to f****n right they do & did anyone ever do

any time or face prosecution for it, NO because they'd bring the house down crumbling round the lot of

em police an all.since we joined the eu the tories have tried to stop subsidies to farmers as ours are

amongst the most productive in the world,but to buy subsidized polish coal & put british miners out of

work who where the most productive in the world was ok & in the process collapsed british industries

into oblivion from which we will never recover all the time championing service industries as the way

forward but just what was left for them to service