ChrisJones 7,975 Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 It tickles me when people keep bleating on about it being 'their money'.. As soon as the government takes it off you it ceases to be 'your money', that's now the tax system works.. You don't have a say about how they choose to spend it apart from putting your X in a box every 5 years... People need to wake up and start aiming their anger at the government instead of other sections of society. You got a problem with the government spending taxes on people on benefit? Fine, no problem with that but it's the government who are the ones in charge of giving the money out, get angry at them.. because I can't like it. Good to see the Ministry Of Information is alive and well. While we all point the finger, at someone who isn't us, we fail to realize that we're all responsible for electing the crooked b*****ds in the first place. Everyone has their eye off the ball. Labour, Tory for a decade and a half, Labour for a decade an a half. Back to the Tories... If you refuse to acknowledge the system is broken, and that the next government, and the one after that, will be more of the same, then we truly are shit out of luck. We get the government we deserve. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,499 Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 I think they forget that people under the age of 25 could have a young family....... I don't think you could even hint that they are in some way forced into that CHOICE. So why the f**k should I and every other taxpayer have to pay for other people's children? I can't understand why anyone thinks that is a fair system, the fact is that if you can't afford children then you shouldn't have them in the first place. It's just a part of life, I don't personally want children but I wouldn't mind a few more dogs, however I can't afford it and I wouldn't be able to twist the logic so much as to make it fair that others should pay my way for me. You really can't win on here, do a search and there's a dozen threads with probably the same people commenting that 'Britain is broken' because of the 'benefit society' etc. Now something is finally being done and Cameron is a traitor? Personally I think young people have a much harder time than the older generations, but it is the well-off retirees who own their own houses that get the most handouts. Again I think they earnt it over a lifetime, but how can we have a system that an older couple who spend their days at a golf club get the same benefits as a poor old widow who can't afford to heat her houses in winter? It just needs to be fairer, based on wealth and that would save more than the under 25's would but the thing is that younger people don't vote like the grays so nothing will be done! So you would advocate a system where people are penalised for success? No, more like reserving benefits only for those who NEED it not just take it because they can. It's a funny system where someone who goes out and works like me can't and may never afford their own house, but if I had failed at school and knocked up a 16 year old I could have spent my life so far not paying any bills or lifting a finger to feed myself and family. I could spend all day and night hunting, laughing at the foolish people who spend all day in an office to support my lifestyle. So you tell me who is being penalised for success... aye BUT like has been said and posted on here many times. the benefits given to people in work,far out weighs the ones out of work. someone said on here yesterday, they should go out on there day off and pick up rubbish.like a lot have been preaching on here. "you shouldnt get free money,should do something for it".! family allowance, well if your kids are able enough they should go out at weekend at tidy up old folks garden for a couple hours. what are the politicians going to do for all the free money they get,and they get enough that would make solomon blush. I don't get any benefits for anything, if everyone did then we would all just pay less tax instead wouldn't we? But either way I don't see how that is in any way relevant to what the conversation was about, which is the unemployed. One doesn't justify the other and that has to be one of the most piss poor excuses for not improving a bad situation, because another situation is worse Litter picking is a good start, but the entire benefit system needs looking at imo because if you make the choice to believe in god and get married, then pop out a few kids then you are leaching money out of the system for no good reason, it's almost prejudice against single people. the answer to your question is no the only time you will pay less tax is just before an election they then take it back once elected how many of these under 25 had jobs when they decided to have kids ?icant see how you can lump all the under 25s together and if you cant afford a mortgage in the job your doing now just get another job theres loads if you listen to a some on here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 You dont find it relevant cause it does not fit into your view. it s a very valid point. we are all on about benefits i was just pointing out that if you want to save on it, then cut the benefit giving to them in work.after all they will have a wage to fall back on. and like yourself i dont get any benefits,but i still see the problems and unfairness in this scheme, and i see everyday the way people are struggling as it is,i fail to see how things will help them in a way shape or form. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C Hall 552 Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 How I see the benefit system, the tory's cannot fix it and labour will make it worse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 well i never Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huan72 687 Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 well i never Lets be honest about it...............................................we go to work, do our best to be as happy as possible whilst paying taxes, stressing out about redundancy, childcare, finances, why its going wrong etc and all the time Cameron and his Eton attending hangers-on are milking the system for all its worth. We really do live in a system that resembles the middle ages, paying taxes whilst the very rich do what they want as they fleece you! At least we cant be arrested for speaking our minds...................well, actually that depends what you say It gives me pleasure and a reason to live when at 0430 as I get up for work, I know that my taxes are providing David Cameron and his hangers-on with the benefits that they so richly deserve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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