22 Subsonic

[Alsone 789]

 

 

 

Alsone, I have had ricochets from .22lr and I'd guess in probably 90% + of the situations I would put it down to user error, ie me, I do not blame the tools, I blame the person who chose the wrong tools!

 

 

I really don't have the energy to go round in circles. Lets just agree to disagree on this one. I believe HMR is ricochet safer, you believe .22 is perfectly safe and on the occasional times that anything exits is the shooters fault.

 

Case closed.

 

 

That isn't what I said! Please do NOT misquote me, I have never made any such blanket statement that .22 is perfectly safe and on the occasional times that anything exits is the shooters fault.

 

 

Sorry I didn't mean to misquote, you said in 90% of situations its the shooters fault.

[dadioles 68]

I think we have all got the idea now and it is getting a bit boring.

 

If you think about it EVERYTHING is the shooters fault / responsibility because the shooter is the only person involved and controlling the shot (or no shot), everything else is inanimate, apart from the rabbit. We could blame the rabbit but that would be a tad unfair.

 

You cannot even blame the ammunition manufacturer because we all know how variable .22lr can be so the shooter needs to allow for that.

 

There are lots of things to take into account when shooting and all we can do is make sure, to the best of our ability, that before pulling the trigger things are as safe as can be reasonably expected. There are very few incidents in UK with licensed guns which cause injury to people so perhaps we should be rather pleased about that.

[delswal 3,819]

 

 

Some interesting comments on this subject. Is all I can say is I shoot 10 000 rabbits a year as a pest controller and up until the new look winch esters came out there were certainly less bullets passing through. If head shot they don't seem to pass through, they sometimes ricochet but the hard whack report normally means the shot has been absorbed. I try not to shoot in the guts as this is not only in humane but being a softer area a 40 gr slug can pass through. The shots I've noticed passing through more than before are neck/ shoulder placements where there is enough bone to cause the bullet to partially expand. If some people are looking for lead in cavity then I would suggest trying to avoid shooting into the cavity in the first place and head shoot if possible.

 

There are a LOT of people here who haven't shot anything like that quantity in their whole life.

 

10,000 a year equates to approx. 27 a DAY, EVERY day of the year, that is a LOT of rabbits, there will be very few that achieve those numbers.

 

I don't shoot 27 rabbits every day of the whole year, that is just a silly comment. if you had any experience of shooting rabbits on a large scale as I and other pest controllers do then you would appreciate that 90% are shot at night using nv and when I say night it isn't just a couple of hours, it is normally dusk till dawn. some nights obviously are little productive but if clearing a heavily infested area it is not uncommon to shoot 3-400 in a single night some times. our busiest times are spring and autumn due to the breeding of rabbits and the harvesting of crops. I enjoy my work and enjoy shooting rabbits as much as the next guy whether its hundreds or just a few. I didn't put the amount on the post to boast about how many rabbits I kill per annum, that was the amount on average shot using 22lr rounds. I could go on about many more that are ferreted,netted,shotgunned and caught in drop boxes or gased but my original post was to ask if anyone has noticed the difference with the new look Winchesters. my comment on shooting 10 000 was just to indicate how many rounds I use in 22lr.

 

if you shoot 1,000 rds a month and 10,000 rabbits a year , i thought you might have noticed the difference yourself lol , but at least your thread has given the ballistic experts in here the chance to go head to head yet again and some who actually give they opinion do not even shoot firearms ffs

[Alsone 789]

if you shoot 1,000 rds a month and 10,000 rabbits a year , i thought you might have noticed the difference yourself lol , but at least your thread has given the ballistic experts in here the chance to go head to head yet again and some who actually give they opinion do not even shoot firearms ffs

 

 

I've spent the last 30 years walking round with people that do and I do shoot shotguns. But thanks for the contribution.

[Yokel Matt 918]

Someone get Deker another marker pen quick, he's running out of bold font to pontificate with.

 

Yawn

[Squirrel_Basher 17,102]

I prefer .222 for rabbits ,saves picking them up