Lab 10,979 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Would anyone here tolerate a critter throwing as many 30 quids as they could grab out of that persons bank account onto a fire ???.........no, of course they wouldn't On a grouse Moore , you can make it a 100 quid a time.... No different now to me grouse are a totally different kettle of fish........they cant be reared and released by the billions each summer...........so yes i can understand that......... pheasants and partridge however can be and the amount taken by birds of prey in minimal compared to the number shot.......... back in the victorain ages when pheasants were reared under broody hens and it was genuinely a matter of job,food on the table, somewhere to live that a keeper kept the numbers of gamebirds up and predators down then yeah knock a few hook beaks out the equation.........but in 2013........... Need to do your research Stewie mate. The area this happened in was not a pheasant shoot, and more so the estate it happened on would not condone this type of thing. fact. they work closely with conservation organisations such as RSPB etc (scabs lol) I would be very surprised if this wasn't a complete accident blown up by the RSPB. As for has any shoot been put under by BOP persecution, read into what happened at Langholm moor during the joint raptor study time, the moor went under (from being one of the most productive economically viable estates in Scotland) and has never bounced back since. If your interested http://www.gamekeeperstrust.org.uk/edresources/uplands/GCT-RSPB%20Hen%20Harriers%20and%20the%20Joint%20Raptor%20Study.pdf true mate but it was lab who started it...... and i have said you cant class grouse moors and commercial shoots together as different as chalk and cheese imo...... and i do agree with you on being an accident thats gotten blown up out of all proportions........ thanks for the link ill be reading up on that with interest....... Aye the f***ing difference is thousands of pounds ploughed into feeding and buying poults......surely that makes it even more relevant to protect what youve forked out for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
STRANGER 948 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Would anyone here tolerate a critter throwing as many 30 quids as they could grab out of that persons bank account onto a fire ???.........no, of course they wouldn't On a grouse Moore , you can make it a 100 quid a time.... No different now to me grouse are a totally different kettle of fish........they cant be reared and released by the billions each summer...........so yes i can understand that......... pheasants and partridge however can be and the amount taken by birds of prey in minimal compared to the number shot.......... back in the victorain ages when pheasants were reared under broody hens and it was genuinely a matter of job,food on the table, somewhere to live that a keeper kept the numbers of gamebirds up and predators down then yeah knock a few hook beaks out the equation.........but in 2013........... Need to do your research Stewie mate. The area this happened in was not a pheasant shoot, and more so the estate it happened on would not condone this type of thing. fact. they work closely with conservation organisations such as RSPB etc (scabs lol) I would be very surprised if this wasn't a complete accident blown up by the RSPB. As for has any shoot been put under by BOP persecution, read into what happened at Langholm moor during the joint raptor study time, the moor went under (from being one of the most productive economically viable estates in Scotland) and has never bounced back since. If your interested http://www.gamekeeperstrust.org.uk/edresources/uplands/GCT-RSPB%20Hen%20Harriers%20and%20the%20Joint%20Raptor%20Study.pdf true mate but it was lab who started it...... and i have said you cant class grouse moors and commercial shoots together as different as chalk and cheese imo...... and i do agree with you on being an accident thats gotten blown up out of all proportions........ thanks for the link ill be reading up on that with interest....... Aye the f*****g difference is thousands of pounds ploughed into feeding and buying poults......surely that makes it even more relevant to protect what youve forked out for. Exactly Lab. Your chickens can drown themselves in an inch of water on a drinker, they don't need fooking sea eagles thrown into the mix. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Would anyone here tolerate a critter throwing as many 30 quids as they could grab out of that persons bank account onto a fire ???.........no, of course they wouldn't On a grouse Moore , you can make it a 100 quid a time.... No different now to me grouse are a totally different kettle of fish........they cant be reared and released by the billions each summer...........so yes i can understand that......... pheasants and partridge however can be and the amount taken by birds of prey in minimal compared to the number shot.......... back in the victorain ages when pheasants were reared under broody hens and it was genuinely a matter of job,food on the table, somewhere to live that a keeper kept the numbers of gamebirds up and predators down then yeah knock a few hook beaks out the equation.........but in 2013........... Need to do your research Stewie mate. The area this happened in was not a pheasant shoot, and more so the estate it happened on would not condone this type of thing. fact. they work closely with conservation organisations such as RSPB etc (scabs lol) I would be very surprised if this wasn't a complete accident blown up by the RSPB. As for has any shoot been put under by BOP persecution, read into what happened at Langholm moor during the joint raptor study time, the moor went under (from being one of the most productive economically viable estates in Scotland) and has never bounced back since. If your interested http://www.gamekeeperstrust.org.uk/edresources/uplands/GCT-RSPB%20Hen%20Harriers%20and%20the%20Joint%20Raptor%20Study.pdf true mate but it was lab who started it...... and i have said you cant class grouse moors and commercial shoots together as different as chalk and cheese imo...... and i do agree with you on being an accident thats gotten blown up out of all proportions........ thanks for the link ill be reading up on that with interest....... Aye the f*****g difference is thousands of pounds ploughed into feeding and buying poults......surely that makes it even more relevant to protect what youve forked out for. Exactly Lab. Your chickens can drown themselves in an inch of water on a drinker, they don't need fooking sea eagles thrown into the mix. Tell me about it............ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jack lee 137 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I love blowing the shit out of the pheasants,although with the lamp in there face there pretty sporting and when your carrying over 30 of them it gets a bit tiresome,must go out in the day sometime 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Would anyone here tolerate a critter throwing as many 30 quids as they could grab out of that persons bank account onto a fire ???.........no, of course they wouldn't On a grouse Moore , you can make it a 100 quid a time.... No different now to me grouse are a totally different kettle of fish........they cant be reared and released by the billions each summer...........so yes i can understand that......... pheasants and partridge however can be and the amount taken by birds of prey in minimal compared to the number shot.......... back in the victorain ages when pheasants were reared under broody hens and it was genuinely a matter of job,food on the table, somewhere to live that a keeper kept the numbers of gamebirds up and predators down then yeah knock a few hook beaks out the equation.........but in 2013........... Need to do your research Stewie mate. The area this happened in was not a pheasant shoot, and more so the estate it happened on would not condone this type of thing. fact. they work closely with conservation organisations such as RSPB etc (scabs lol) I would be very surprised if this wasn't a complete accident blown up by the RSPB. As for has any shoot been put under by BOP persecution, read into what happened at Langholm moor during the joint raptor study time, the moor went under (from being one of the most productive economically viable estates in Scotland) and has never bounced back since. If your interested http://www.gamekeeperstrust.org.uk/edresources/uplands/GCT-RSPB%20Hen%20Harriers%20and%20the%20Joint%20Raptor%20Study.pdf true mate but it was lab who started it...... and i have said you cant class grouse moors and commercial shoots together as different as chalk and cheese imo...... and i do agree with you on being an accident thats gotten blown up out of all proportions........ thanks for the link ill be reading up on that with interest....... Aye the f*****g difference is thousands of pounds ploughed into feeding and buying poults......surely that makes it even more relevant to protect what youve forked out for. Exactly Lab. Your chickens can drown themselves in an inch of water on a drinker, they don't need fooking sea eagles thrown into the mix. good to see you back mate............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I know of a small shoot that sticks down 3500 poults and around 1000 are taken by bops. That is enough to bankrupt a place and close the shoot, in which term the ground and habitat is no longer managed, and it's not just the shooting that suffers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Would anyone here tolerate a critter throwing as many 30 quids as they could grab out of that persons bank account onto a fire ???.........no, of course they wouldn't On a grouse Moore , you can make it a 100 quid a time.... No different now to me grouse are a totally different kettle of fish........they cant be reared and released by the billions each summer...........so yes i can understand that......... pheasants and partridge however can be and the amount taken by birds of prey in minimal compared to the number shot.......... back in the victorain ages when pheasants were reared under broody hens and it was genuinely a matter of job,food on the table, somewhere to live that a keeper kept the numbers of gamebirds up and predators down then yeah knock a few hook beaks out the equation.........but in 2013........... Need to do your research Stewie mate. The area this happened in was not a pheasant shoot, and more so the estate it happened on would not condone this type of thing. fact. they work closely with conservation organisations such as RSPB etc (scabs lol) I would be very surprised if this wasn't a complete accident blown up by the RSPB. As for has any shoot been put under by BOP persecution, read into what happened at Langholm moor during the joint raptor study time, the moor went under (from being one of the most productive economically viable estates in Scotland) and has never bounced back since. If your interested http://www.gamekeeperstrust.org.uk/edresources/uplands/GCT-RSPB%20Hen%20Harriers%20and%20the%20Joint%20Raptor%20Study.pdf true mate but it was lab who started it...... and i have said you cant class grouse moors and commercial shoots together as different as chalk and cheese imo...... and i do agree with you on being an accident thats gotten blown up out of all proportions........ thanks for the link ill be reading up on that with interest....... Aye the f*****g difference is thousands of pounds ploughed into feeding and buying poults......surely that makes it even more relevant to protect what youve forked out for. there you go with money again.............. who REALLY has it harder??? a lowland keeper with all his birds brought in every year regardless off what predators kill.........or a highland keeper living on wild stock alone and losing 10 hens is catastrophic........... im not saying it ok for them to lose money far from it mate.... ..........i look at pheasants like typical immigrants.............foreign kunts that breed in their millions and cause no end of f***ing hassle for the locals....................... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I know of a small shoot that sticks down 3500 poults and around 1000 are taken by bops. That is enough to bankrupt a place and close the shoot, in which term the ground and habitat is no longer managed, and it's not just the shooting that suffers. and thats shite to hear mate........is it keepered full time??? please dont take this the wrong way but thats a lot to lose!!........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 I know of a small shoot that sticks down 3500 poults and around 1000 are taken by bops. That is enough to bankrupt a place and close the shoot, in which term the ground and habitat is no longer managed, and it's not just the shooting that suffers. and thats shite to hear mate........is it keepered full time??? please dont take this the wrong way but thats a lot to lose!!........... Unfortunately the only way to solve the problem is to break the law. There simply isnt another way around it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Aaaaaaaaand the winner of the fishing comp is lurcher1 having caught a rather large lad from fife. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Aaaaaaaaand the winner of the fishing comp is lurcher1 having caught a rather large lad from fife. 9 times out of 10 id give you that mate...........but if the thread stayed on its original topic then its plain to see i wasnt winding him at all.............. IMHO it is a huge shame that nest got cut down...........and thats me stamping my foot down with a firm hand........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) . Edited June 14, 2013 by lurcher1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Aaaaaaaaand the winner of the fishing comp is lurcher1 having caught a rather large lad from fife. 9 times out of 10 id give you that mate...........but if the thread stayed on its original topic then its plain to see i wasnt winding him at all.............. IMHO it is a huge shame that nest got cut down...........and thats me stamping my foot down with a firm hand........... Aye its a shame they cut the tree down there should be laws about it,folks shouldnt be cutting down our indigenous trees just to make money what have trees ever done wrong. LOL 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Some keeper you!!! Your supposed to come on and explain to Stewie that he is talking pish........again!!.....Infact wait till he reads this back sober, i'm sure he'll be a tad embarrassed.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 I would guess most shoots about break even and nothing more I'd say similar.......most that i know off probably do it to get there shooting for free, invite guests and then in turn get invited to there shoots. Shooting all year for nothing....canny be bad.. So basically they run these shoots so they can shoot for free? All the while us that enjoy watching real natural predators like BOP' have to miss out cos they interfere with these fat lazy bastarding shooters enjoyment of shooting an over fed, fat pet bird? I'm sorry but its not a fair price to pay. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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