baw 4,360 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 You still haven't answered if you have been on a grouse moor or your the fanny with the name calling and belittling me sonny boy and ill shoot down shooters all I want. I have personal real life experiences that give me reason to. You remind me of a guy I had the misfortune of having to share company with at college. This guy knew everything about cars, torque, bhp of a lot of cars etc but he openly admitted to not having done anything with a car, not even filled one with petrol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,656 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Ratreeper stop being so f*****g ignorant! The examples you gave are miles away from releasing pheasants! Just because people want the right to control birds of prey doesn't mean the populations are gonna suffer in anyway. The game shooting industry does more for british fauna than you bitching twitchers do. Why are they miles away? If you want an example of a suffering population, I looked it up and as of August last year there were 67 breeding pairs of sea eagles which means if one pair is wiped out, meaning it could just be one bird killed that couldn't find a partner that equals about 1.5% of the entire UK population. In terms of genetic diversity that is catastrophic, what would you think is the right number to be given permission by pheasant shooters to exist? There are also 140,000 red squirrels left in the UK, so should be wait until there are less than 67 pairs before wondering they might need a bit of help? But like I said in another thread, there are a dickload of buzzards and if they need thinning out a bit then fair enough, but some losses need to be factored in for predation just like ones killed by cars, poached or wander off. To advocate making a species extinct to boost profits is incredibly selfish, which is really what you are saying if you condone the killing of sea eagles or goshawks which are on the edge. Lets be right, the examples you were giving were ridiculously simple. You were absolutely ignorant to the benefits of keepered land. It's easy to simplify an argument to the point it looks rediculous, any half wit can do that. Releasing pheasant and partridge does f**k all damage to native fauna! Half the shit examples you were banging out would do irrevesible damage! And comparing culling birds of prey to burning down competition in the market place is absurd! Culling pests and culling human competition is worlds apart. Comparing red squirrel breeding pairs to sea eagle breeding pairs is again a completely flawed example. GCSE biology will teach you enough to know that a prey species like squirrels will live in much higher densities than an apex predator like a sea eagle so such a small squirrel population would be catastrophic. There's a place for sea eagles in British ecology perhaps but let's not protect the shit out of them like they are some harmless bloody Pelican How do you know how ignorant I am of anything? I have stated I can see the benefit of gameshoots, humans are selfish and without the land being of financial value as woodland it would be cut down for another fast food restaurant or for crops in a minute. But for the land to be of value, does not mean it has to be made to be the absolute highest possible financial value at the expense of everything else. You really don’t seem to see the irony of saying the shoot is good for protecting wildlife if you need to persecute the wildlife to have the shoot, you can’t have it both ways. If you want a balance then great, at the moment the scales are tipped massively towards pheasants so I assume you would like to help as many sea eagles as possible until they reach the level that prey can sustain? If you care about the countryside, shoot as many gray squirrels as you can, blast away at magpies and eradicate the mink but for fucks sake don’t start shooting the last few dregs of a species to add another couple of % gross margin to a landowners profits...Don’t try and lecture me on ecology, population or game theory. My examples are not miles apart, swap bakery for gameshoot and tesco’s for an area with a few pairs of eagles. It is competition, whether you go to that competition or it comes to you doesn’t matter, if both you and a predator want to kill the pheasant either for survival or money and it beats you to it, I will shed a little tear when it’s survival as a species costs you a bit of margin..my heart really will bleed and I will gratefully inform my future children that everyone sat by and let yet another species get wiped out by humanity, so we could enjoy shooting birds we imported for the wealthy to blast out of the sky without needing any field craft at all, with the worst survival instinct since the panda. (I don't mean the wealthy part, not generalising but many shoots are well outside the means of a normal working man/woman) You're ignorant because your examples are over simplified and not parallel at all to what we're talking about. I know that, because I read what you wrote. Irony eh............. right, 21st century game shoots are hugely beneficial for our wildlife yet I believe keepers should have to legal right to cull bop that threaten that. I don;t believe they should have the right to eradicate any species just cull to protect the shoots sustainability. Where prey thrives, predators thrive.......... so culling them aint gonna threaten any species! This thread had jack shit to do with shooting eagles but enevitably it went the way of bop legislation and the argument for keepers to cull them. My argument isn't just about sea eagles, it's generic for all protected raptors. I take exception to this whole bullshit ignorant attitude "f**k the millionaire shooters, they just want to kill everything". It's bollocks! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,656 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) So can you see how shooting and conservation go hand in hand or not, because if you can't I know you're not intelligent enough to see that fact, as I stated. How's that for simple logic..... Every oportunity you get to knock shooting you take it, it's pathetically ignorant. Well done, you're self employed in the oil industry. I work for one of the largest oil service companys in the world if you want a pissing contest? If I give you my PayPal can one of you rich c**ts send me some money? Eating fooking road kill here. Baws ya man, he makes more a month than I do a year...... Edited June 14, 2013 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 So can you see how shooting and conservation go hand in hand or not, because if you can't I know you're not intelligent enough to see that fact, as I stated. How's that for simple logic..... Every oportunity you get to knock shooting you take it, it's pathetically ignorant. Well done, you're self employed in the oil industry. I work for one of the largest oil service companys in the world if you want a pissing contest? If I give you my PayPal can one of you rich c**ts send me some money? Eating fooking road kill here. Baws ya man, he makes more a month than I do a year...... I'm too thick to know how to work PayPal..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,656 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 (edited) You still haven't answered if you have been on a grouse moor or your the fanny with the name calling and belittling me sonny boy and ill shoot down shooters all I want. I have personal real life experiences that give me reason to. You remind me of a guy I had the misfortune of having to share company with at college. This guy knew everything about cars, torque, bhp of a lot of cars etc but he openly admitted to not having done anything with a car, not even filled one with petrol Yeah, a couple of times following fell hounds. But ratreeper was talking about releasing pheasants, which is the post I took exception to. So why the f**k you're on about moors I don't know? You make a lot of assumptions baw, probably due to your preconceptions of people. I help run a non profit game shoot, week in week out I'm working on it. At the same time as getting educated and eventually to the point now where I'm working a full time job. So do I meet your preconceptions? Edited June 14, 2013 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,656 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 So can you see how shooting and conservation go hand in hand or not, because if you can't I know you're not intelligent enough to see that fact, as I stated. How's that for simple logic..... Every oportunity you get to knock shooting you take it, it's pathetically ignorant. Well done, you're self employed in the oil industry. I work for one of the largest oil service companys in the world if you want a pissing contest? If I give you my PayPal can one of you rich c**ts send me some money? Eating fooking road kill here. Baws ya man, he makes more a month than I do a year...... I'm too thick to know how to work PayPal..... Never mind, just randomly post it out, you'll hit him eventually. You earn hundreds of thousands a year so no bother really eh. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 For a site full of so called countrymen. . . . . some of the folk on here clearly don't know shit about the countryside! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Could listen to this all day Born Hunter...your class at putting your point out there......bitch slapping Baw as you go, its been great reading..... Now i said i would never bite to Baw again on the whole shooters thing but i have to comment as really he couldnt give a f**k about BOP's its solely because he thinks he is fighting some war with "fat millionaires shooters" and keepers because they have never liked him cause he chased hares years ago.....boo f***ing hoo.... Whats your point about being on a grouse moor Baw....ive never been on one!!. Are you telling me you know more about keepering then i do and the effects BOP's have on the running off a shoot cause av never kicked a grouse up the arse?... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,656 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Lab, he even comes with a warning plastered above his avatar! In all honesty, I haven't a problem with anyone on here. I may disagree with a lot and get a bit heated but no big deal to me. I just f***ing love to argue on things I believe in. I really did try not to, I'm such a c**t for biting though! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 as far as i can see its a good old thl debate........no one has got nasty and end of the day id rather one thread like this than a load of shite ones about muslims lol......at least we are talking about stuff in the countryside than towns for once 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
STRANGER 948 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 as far as i can see its a good old thl debate........no one has got nasty and end of the day id rather one thread like this than a load of shite ones about muslims lol......at least we are talking about stuff in the countryside than towns for once 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Lab, he even comes with a warning plastered above his avatar! In all honesty, I haven't a problem with anyone on here. I may disagree with a lot and get a bit heated but no big deal to me. I just f*****g love to argue on things I believe in. I really did try not to, I'm such a c**t for biting though! I'm exactly the same mate...could have a heated debate with anyone and not fall out with them. If they want to fall out with me just because i dont agree with them then i dont want to talk to the c**t anyway......... Oh and i'm right on this thread so thats what matters most.... 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 Lab, he even comes with a warning plastered above his avatar! In all honesty, I haven't a problem with anyone on here. I may disagree with a lot and get a bit heated but no big deal to me. I just f*****g love to argue on things I believe in. I really did try not to, I'm such a c**t for biting though! I'm exactly the same mate...could have a heated debate with anyone and not fall out with them. If they want to fall out with me just because i dont agree with them then i dont want to talk to the c**t anyway......... Oh and i'm right on this thread so thats what matters most.... the like was for the first bit not the pish at the end lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 as far as i can see its a good old thl debate........no one has got nasty and end of the day id rather one thread like this than a load of shite ones about muslims lol......at least we are talking about stuff in the countryside than towns for once pmsl!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,656 Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 as far as i can see its a good old thl debate........no one has got nasty and end of the day id rather one thread like this than a load of shite ones about muslims lol......at least we are talking about stuff in the countryside than towns for once In fairness, I called baw a daft twat. I didn't mean it maliciously but it was out of order and I'll apologise now. I still think he's a daft twat mind but I should'nt have said it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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