pritch 335 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 Much as i agree with a lot of what the man and the party stand for.....if they are going to such lengths to forbid any former bnp member to join ukip............then they are as short sighted as any other party in my opinion ! Not short sighted pal, very very far sighted!!!! I understand what you are saying gnasher but nigel farage has done his homework, ukip know the forces they are up against and how massive resources will be turned against them. Unfortunately many patriotic people get so angry and frustrated with things like mass immigration that they let their mouth run away with them, a few videos of that type of person used well in the media could destroy ukip. UKIP is our great green countries last hope and anybody who is in anyway patriotic needs to get behind them in anyway way they can and not be offended with tiny details such as that. The bnp had their chance and blew it, move on. But what is the difference between Lab/Con doing and saying any old bollocks to " look good "........and Ukip forbidding ex bnp members in order to " look good " ? For instance lets say 1000 peaceful law abiding National Fronters of yesterday saw the light and turned to the BNP........who in turn have seen the light and turned to Ukip ......................they cant !!!................Thats a chunk of people being PUNISHED for evolving in their understanding. Surely as a political party you either stand by your beliefs..........................or you dont......you dont single out and sacrifice a group of law abiding decent people to make a point ? I understand what your saying but I think they have to sacrifice the 1000 say 0.1 percent in order to appeal to the mainstream masses who actually think almost the same......I believe you can vote for Ukip just not be a member if you've been a member of bnp/edl of which iv been neither. bollox he's just stood up on that video & talked about free speech & democracy so how can he exclude a portion of the population for carrying out their legal right to vote for a political candidate,he just bowing to media pressure same as the rest, he's a right wing Torry praying on people fears nowt more, nowt less. he'll still hit those who have less hardest Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,258 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) I understand what your saying but I think they have to sacrifice the 1000 say 0.1 percent in order to appeal to the mainstream masses who actually think almost the same......I believe you can vote for Ukip just not be a member if you've been a member of bnp/edl of which iv been neither. Obviously its a drop in the ocean in terms of numbers.......but when you front yourself as a party with " morals ".......and use words like " Independance Party " in your name.......i think it proves your not really different to any other political party as regards your ways of gaining popularity if your sacrificing Peter to gain Paul ....so to speak..........................it comes to something when a dole fiddling Muslim can join Ukip but a hardworking patriotic Brit cant !! Theres a lot to like about Ukip in my opinion..............but forbidding a segment of the British population from joining their party to gain some brownie points ........that dont sit right with me. And incidentally......why do they allow membership from former NF....but not BNP ?......any ideas i cant see the logic there Edited June 9, 2013 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,791 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 The BNP is imploding, if thousands of ex members of the BNP suddenly joined UKIP it would be the death of UKIP. They'd be portrayed as the next big right wing only party. I think UKIP's got a lot more ideas that should appeal to people from most walks of life and not just the far right so I think what they're doing is sensible. Anyone can vote UKIP including BNP voters etc but they cannot actually join the party. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,258 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 The BNP is imploding, if thousands of ex members of the BNP suddenly joined UKIP it would be the death of UKIP. They'd be portrayed as the next big right wing only party. I think UKIP's got a lot more ideas that should appeal to people from most walks of life and not just the far right so I think what they're doing is sensible. Anyone can vote UKIP including BNP voters etc but they cannot actually join the party. So why CAN former NF join the party if former BNP cant ? And i say again.....for a party claiming to be an Independant party with high morals to sell out on a segment of people just to " create a nice image "............is possibly the most hypocritical " policy " any party has ever had ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,589 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 BNP are a toxic product mate, UKIP are the best thing we have and ANY association with a mob like the BNP would be the end of the road IMHO 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,258 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) You know as well as i do Wilf the barring of BNP members is purely so Ukip can claim to be anti racist when the time comes that they are labelled as " a racist party "...............its image management we know that...........aimed towards a brainwashed population so desperate to get behind something they,ll swallow anything that sounds right........... If Ukip dont allow membership from former " extremist organisations "..............does this also apply to other extremist organisations like the Labour Party ?....If so and they were to form a government they would then be stopping people the opportunity to take part....the exact thing they slated BNP for !!..................and besides which...for a party claiming to be everyones saviour and have us all eating out their hand......is it not plain wrong against the average man in the street to discriminate against him for his former opinions ? Besides which again..............im still curious as to how and why Ukip would accept membership from former NF but not former BNP when NF were far more extreme in their day than BNP were/are in theirs............it makes no sense.....either that or they just make it up as they go along. Edited June 9, 2013 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildling 520 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 UKIP have a good chance at the moment with sensible policy presented by a sensible average man, which would be zero the minute they started letting BNP members in who on the the whole are arseholes ! The left-wing biassed press would just love that............. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,258 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 UKIP have a good chance at the moment with sensible policy presented by a sensible average man, which would be zero the minute they started letting BNP members in who on the the whole are arseholes ! So i ask again..................why would they " let in " as you put it....................even bigger arseholes in former National Front members ?.......... Im all for most of their policies and great that they possibly have a chance of creating change......i just dont swallow everything whole without questioning stuff first like some folk seem to.....i understand a lot of folks frustration and desperation at wanting to get behind something good.....but its not an exclusive little club that anyone halfway patriotic should all automatically sign up to Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,589 Posted June 9, 2013 Report Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) Loud and clear Gnasher but IMHO allowing anybody who has had an association with the BNP in at a time when you are trying to make a sensible case about immigration would be like rolling up at a ba mitzvah with a tray of bacon rolls.......the party would be over Image matters and what's more it works, hence we had Blair taking liberties for years but he could get away with it because it was all carefully stage managed Blokes like us don't really understand it but its a fact none the less Nobody cares about the NF as they have been off the radar so long they don't matter Edited June 10, 2013 by WILF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,258 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Loud and clear Gnasher but IMHO allowing anybody who has had an association with the BNP in at a time when you are trying to make a sensible case about immigration would be like rolling up at a ba mitzvah with a tray of bacon rolls.......the party would be over Image matters and what's more it works, hence we had Blair taking liberties for years but he could get away with it because it was all carefully stage managed Blokes like us don't really understand it but its a fact none the less Nobody cares about the NF as they have been off the radar so long they don't matter Wilf its either policy or its not..............if a party makes such a strong stand as to FORBID membership of people from former extremist organisations.....but then allows somebody from a former extremist organisation to not only be a member but to actually stand as a candidate ......makes their policy not worth the paper its written on.....and naturally throws into question any other strong policies they might have as possibly being treated with the same contempt that one can be. Now im no politician and your right blokes like us dont really understand enough about the whole workings of politics......but we understand human nature and can smell bullshit in any language. Edited June 10, 2013 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildling 520 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 UKIP are are best hope of extracting ourselves from that mess in europe and staring the process of governing for ourselves again, if that means a few thousand BNP members are banned from joining then so be it ! They can still vote for the party at elections. Giving ammunition to the Labour & Tory spin doctors will not serve in helping UKIP make it to a point where they can begin to sort out the state this country is in. They've already started slinging the dirt and something like that would give them a wet-dream ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,258 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 UKIP are are best hope of extracting ourselves from that mess in europe and staring the process of governing for ourselves again, if that means a few thousand BNP members are banned from joining then so be it ! They can still vote for the party at elections. Giving ammunition to the Labour & Tory spin doctors will not serve in helping UKIP make it to a point where they can begin to sort out the state this country is in. They've already started slinging the dirt and something like that would give them a wet-dream ! Your completely missing the point of what im saying mate..............im not debating the pros and cons of which little box we tick.........im simply throwing out a question about something that doesnt make sense to me and puts a question mark up to the morals and integrity of Ukip................thats besides the classic picture in my head of a political party defending their presumed prejudice...................by being prejudiced against prejudiced people Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildling 520 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 It's murky water politics mate...and sometimes things just don't come out as black and white..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 31,258 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) That ol chestnut eh ......................if in doubt....brush it under the f****n carpet and hope it go,s away .................for a newly formed political party who we,re all hoping to hang our hat on thats desperately craving a squeaky clean image......................its a massive shot in the foot from where im sitting. Edited June 10, 2013 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wildling 520 Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 That ol chestnut eh ......................if in doubt....brush it under the f****n carpet and hope it go,s away .................for a newly formed political party who we,re all hoping to hang our hat on thats desperately craving a squeaky clean image......................its a massive shot in the foot from where im sitting. UKIP Haven't squandered any money or let in loads of migrants, you certainly couldn't look at the Tory Labour Lib-dem Party's and say that ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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