tumbler

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

:secret:

Edited November 13, 2007 by cúagusgiorraí

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

:secret:

Edited November 13, 2007 by cúagusgiorraí

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

:secret:

Edited November 13, 2007 by cúagusgiorraí

[micky 3,325]

Hi!

The tumbler was a decoy dog that existed over 150 years ago. It went extinct. It imitated the actions of a fox. I have seen foxes doing this before. They tumble and roll over and over attracting alot of attention from rabbits. They do this near a warren. The curiousity of the rabbits brings them closer to the dog. Then they pounce the rabbits. The tumbler was a unique hunting dog that dissipeared due to the availibility of guns. They were a british dog. I dont know how these new breeders think they have ressurected an extinct breed. I suppose with work one could try to create a tumbler. Perhaps crossing it with a fox? These new dogs I am sure are fine dogs, but I think it is incorrect to call them tumblers.

you cannot cross a dog with a fox.

[cúagusgiorraí 57]

:secret:

Edited November 13, 2007 by cúagusgiorraí

[micky 3,325]

I have seen two dog fox hybrids. Both live in the west of ireland

 

another qoute

British Zoology - Page 99

by Thomas Pennant - 1818

"The Vertagus, or Tumbler, is a fourth species,

which took its prey by mere subtlety, depending

neither on the sagacity of its nose, or

its swiftness : if it came into a warren, it neither

barked, or ran on the rabbets, but by a

seeming neglect of them, or attention to something

else, deceived the object till it got within

reach, so as to take it by a sudden spring. "

no you have not. its not possible.

[Guest JDF]

I have seen two dog fox hybrids. Both live in the west of ireland

 

doubful fella,i've looked at this subject before,dogs have 78 chromosones while a fox has 38,a hybrid of the two is not viable suffice to say there's never been a scientificaly proven hybrid,of course the genetic laws may be different in the west of ireland

[tote 870]

If it was possible they'd be readily available,and at silly prices

[Guest nitevision]

reality seems to have gone awol,surely only a lunatic would believe you can have fox/dog hybrid

[Neal 1,930]

I read somewhere that the original tumbler worked in a similar way to that described above ie encouraging prey to come closer, but the prey mentioned was ducks. Apparently it was similar in working style to a Nove Scotia Duck Toller. I may have got the breed name wrong there or may have got the earlier bit mixed up but I'm fairly sure it was something along those lines. There was something about encouraging ducks to follow it along a river bank until they swam staight into a net spread across the river.

[Guest FOXDOG]

I think he is a lunatic

[Guest JDF]

lunatics a bit strong................certainly a bit of a mentalist though

[TOMO 29,151]

the way they used to decoy ducks , was for a small red coulerd dog looking somthing simalar to a fox.

 

the nets wernt across the rivers, or they wernt in the old books i red at least.

 

they would do this on specialy constructed lakes and ponds. at veriouse intervals around the lake there would be inlets, these would be quite wide at the enreance going back many feet, as they got further from the lake the narrower these inlets got untill there was no water. now halfway along these inlets they would put netting across the top as tall as a man . this then got lower the farther from the entrance to the lake , this netting was dome shaped going across from one bank to the other untill it it became almost like a fishermans keepnet.

 

the dog would work along the lake bank showing its self at regular intervals . seeing this the ducks would start to follow . like most prey spiecies they liked to know where there preditors were. eventualy the dog was worked right along to the end of the nets . and of course the ducs had know were to escape.

 

this is one of the reasons there are so many ponds scattered around britan with the DECOY name given.

 

in fact the old village i came from had just such a pond. this pond was called decoy ho

 

as for tumblers who knows . history lesson over TOMO

[inan 841]

I have seen two dog fox hybrids. Both live in the west of ireland

 

another qoute

British Zoology - Page 99

by Thomas Pennant - 1818

"The Vertagus, or Tumbler, is a fourth species,

which took its prey by mere subtlety, depending

neither on the sagacity of its nose, or

its swiftness : if it came into a warren, it neither

barked, or ran on the rabbets, but by a

seeming neglect of them, or attention to something

else, deceived the object till it got within

reach, so as to take it by a sudden spring. "

No you havent ,it is genetically impossible for a fox and a dog to produce a litter.

[jimmyg 6]

this is my other dog

 

i also have a norfolk lurcher

A Norfolk lurcher nowadays is just a term to describe a lurcher to lurcher mix of collie /greyhound/deerhound /bedlington and whatever else and usually means the seller adds a few more pounds to the price