Does A Coursing Dog Need Intelligence?

[robwelsh 354]

 

 

 

It depends what you class as coursing. Coursing to me is hunting hares, on here, it seems to be only coursing if its on the fens. So for me a coursing dog needs as much brains as any other hunting dog. Now if you were to ask me does a coursing owner on the fens need brains

what you do to me , is hunting not coursing. Coursing is just seeing how the dog runs. Hunting is catching it as quick as possible. Imo lol

Why is there a time limit on it? Many saluki blooded dogs will not attempt a strike until they have got a hare under control, , and they have "lined it up". How many times did you see Lucky strike, and miss overshooting in the process.? Virtually never .

All right he was an extreme example , being particularly canny behind his game. but the inherent boxing ability is a saluki trait, running just fast enough to keep the hare under pressure, easing off when the hare is out in the open , stepping up a gear to get between it and cover. I find this as riveting as the" up and at em", style . Its what's in the bag at the end of the day that matters.imo. I do agree with your definition though, what Baw describes is hunting , not coursing.

first of all to first reply. i didn say you can teach a dog, i said most if shown enough qurry will learn, so il take it your post was a long winded agree lol

secondly, i didnt say there was a time limit, but prefer a dog to catch asap. just my opinion. find it more exciting with a fast chase rather than a drawn out chase. like i said coursing and hunting imo is different. same as foxing with hounds. its not effective. a rifle is , secondly it would be a lurcher. but hounds are used for sport. ssaluki or coursing bred dogs are also used to see how well they can course the hare, catching is irrelevant.

[robwelsh 354]

 

 

 

 

It depends what you class as coursing. Coursing to me is hunting hares, on here, it seems to be only coursing if its on the fens. So for me a coursing dog needs as much brains as any other hunting dog. Now if you were to ask me does a coursing owner on the fens need brains

what you do to me , is hunting not coursing. Coursing is just seeing how the dog runs. Hunting is catching it as quick as possible. Imo lol

Why is there a time limit on it? Many saluki blooded dogs will not attempt a strike until they have got a hare under control, , and they have "lined it up". How many times did you see Lucky strike, and miss overshooting in the process.? Virtually never .

All right he was an extreme example , being particularly canny behind his game. but the inherent boxing ability is a saluki trait, running just fast enough to keep the hare under pressure, easing off when the hare is out in the open , stepping up a gear to get between it and cover. I find this as riveting as the" up and at em", style . Its what's in the bag at the end of the day that matters.imo. I do agree with your definition though, what Baw describes is hunting , not coursing.

first of all to first reply. i didn say you can teach a dog, i said most if shown enough qurry will learn, so il take it your post was a long winded agree lol

secondly, i didnt say there was a time limit, but prefer a dog to catch asap. just my opinion. find it more exciting with a fast chase rather than a drawn out chase. like i said coursing and hunting imo is different. same as foxing with hounds. its not effective. a rifle is , secondly it would be a lurcher. but hounds are used for sport. ssaluki or coursing bred dogs are also used to see how well they can course the hare, catching is irrelevant.

actually, i said "ANY" , when i actually ment most, so il admit in wrong doing lol the first for THL???

[TOMO 29,227]

Talking of quik catches,, I got to be honest I'm not to keen on the quik streight line type of catch,,, it doesn't test the dog to much,,, and I'm left wondering weather the dog would have cought it given a few more seconds on it,,

 

It is nice to watch the dog behind the hare for a good Minuit or so befor making a catch

[killing crew 2,708]

baw we have to have a day out next season

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

 

 

 

It depends what you class as coursing. Coursing to me is hunting hares, on here, it seems to be only coursing if its on the fens. So for me a coursing dog needs as much brains as any other hunting dog. Now if you were to ask me does a coursing owner on the fens need brains

what you do to me , is hunting not coursing. Coursing is just seeing how the dog runs. Hunting is catching it as quick as possible. Imo lol

Why is there a time limit on it? Many saluki blooded dogs will not attempt a strike until they have got a hare under control, , and they have "lined it up". How many times did you see Lucky strike, and miss overshooting in the process.? Virtually never .

All right he was an extreme example , being particularly canny behind his game. but the inherent boxing ability is a saluki trait, running just fast enough to keep the hare under pressure, easing off when the hare is out in the open , stepping up a gear to get between it and cover. I find this as riveting as the" up and at em", style . Its what's in the bag at the end of the day that matters.imo. I do agree with your definition though, what Baw describes is hunting , not coursing.

first of all to first reply. i didn say you can teach a dog, i said most if shown enough qurry will learn, so il take it your post was a long winded agree lol

secondly, i didnt say there was a time limit, but prefer a dog to catch asap. just my opinion. find it more exciting with a fast chase rather than a drawn out chase. like i said coursing and hunting imo is different. same as foxing with hounds. its not effective. a rifle is , secondly it would be a lurcher. but hounds are used for sport. ssaluki or coursing bred dogs are also used to see how well they can course the hare, catching is irrelevant.

If catching is irrelevant then why is the coursing DVDs or coursing guys brag about 3/3, 5/5? Is there a dog won the forley and not caught? I think your confusing coursing greyhounds with lurchers. So the forley cup is hunting and the Waterloo cup coursing?

[baw 4,360]

baw we have to have a day out next season

Are you asking me out on a date? Ohhhhhh matron......... I do like to throw a spanner in the works

[bird 10,014]

Depends on what your definition of intelligence is ? Collies poodles ect excel at obedience type stuff and are deemed to be intelligent cos they pic it up quik...

 

Saluki types seem to have an in built understanding of running cunning as they say,,, it's plain to see on a lot of coursing films,, watch lucky and lots of others boxing a hare from cover,,,,,,now is that intelligence or a more basic natural hunting instinct ??

 

 

( instinct) most dogs if shown enough in the day would soon learn to run cunning, they not that clever type of dog really, most sight hounded types are only average brain .!

[skycat 6,174]

Just because a dog won't jump through hoops, do down stays etc, doesn't mean it hasn't got a brain. Some of the cleverest dogs I've seen in the field were Saluki based, and I don't just mean clever on hares. If a pup isn't exposed to the maximum variety of game and situations in the field whilst its growing up, it will never become 'intelligent' in the way it works. My Saluki types have always been exposed to rabbits out mooching from puppyhood, and the ones that had a really good brain learned by themselves how to work different quarry on different types of ground as well as, if not better than the Collie types I've had.

 

In fact, the drive and determination they show lasts long into old age when a Collie type sometimes says: not worth the effort. I love to see a dog creep through a hedge and stand watching the rabbits out in the field, watching and waiting to determine which one looks more stupid, or unaware than the rest, before deciding to sneak down the hedge and try to cut the dopey bugger off. Saluki types are just as capable of learning how to do this as any other type, and IMO, a damn sight sharper than many. Mine won't do down stays though, and I don't care, because its the hunting I like to see.

[fitchet 788]

Hit the nail on the head skycat brilliant post.

[inan 841]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It depends what you class as coursing. Coursing to me is hunting hares, on here, it seems to be only coursing if its on the fens. So for me a coursing dog needs as much brains as any other hunting dog. Now if you were to ask me does a coursing owner on the fens need brains

what you do to me , is hunting not coursing. Coursing is just seeing how the dog runs. Hunting is catching it as quick as possible. Imo lol

Why is there a time limit on it? Many saluki blooded dogs will not attempt a strike until they have got a hare under control, , and they have "lined it up". How many times did you see Lucky strike, and miss overshooting in the process.? Virtually never .

All right he was an extreme example , being particularly canny behind his game. but the inherent boxing ability is a saluki trait, running just fast enough to keep the hare under pressure, easing off when the hare is out in the open , stepping up a gear to get between it and cover. I find this as riveting as the" up and at em", style . Its what's in the bag at the end of the day that matters.imo. I do agree with your definition though, what Baw describes is hunting , not coursing.

first of all to first reply. i didn say you can teach a dog, i said most if shown enough qurry will learn, so il take it your post was a long winded agree lol

secondly, i didnt say there was a time limit, but prefer a dog to catch asap. just my opinion. find it more exciting with a fast chase rather than a drawn out chase. like i said coursing and hunting imo is different. same as foxing with hounds. its not effective. a rifle is , secondly it would be a lurcher. but hounds are used for sport. ssaluki or coursing bred dogs are also used to see how well they can course the hare, catching is irrelevant.

If catching is irrelevant then why is the coursing DVDs or coursing guys brag about 3/3, 5/5? Is there a dog won the forley and not caught? I think your confusing coursing greyhounds with lurchers. So the forley cup is hunting and the Waterloo cup coursing?

Lurchers are run at rabbits and hares to catch them . Greyhounds were run double- handed in the Waterloo cup to score points against each other, different ball game entirely.

[baw 4,360]

Hit the nail on the head skycat brilliant post.

Skycat and chalky never shy away from giving there view, unlike other book writing charlatans on here.....

 

Good post skycat

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It depends what you class as coursing. Coursing to me is hunting hares, on here, it seems to be only coursing if its on the fens. So for me a coursing dog needs as much brains as any other hunting dog. Now if you were to ask me does a coursing owner on the fens need brains

what you do to me , is hunting not coursing. Coursing is just seeing how the dog runs. Hunting is catching it as quick as possible. Imo lol

Why is there a time limit on it? Many saluki blooded dogs will not attempt a strike until they have got a hare under control, , and they have "lined it up". How many times did you see Lucky strike, and miss overshooting in the process.? Virtually never .

All right he was an extreme example , being particularly canny behind his game. but the inherent boxing ability is a saluki trait, running just fast enough to keep the hare under pressure, easing off when the hare is out in the open , stepping up a gear to get between it and cover. I find this as riveting as the" up and at em", style . Its what's in the bag at the end of the day that matters.imo. I do agree with your definition though, what Baw describes is hunting , not coursing.

first of all to first reply. i didn say you can teach a dog, i said most if shown enough qurry will learn, so il take it your post was a long winded agree lol

secondly, i didnt say there was a time limit, but prefer a dog to catch asap. just my opinion. find it more exciting with a fast chase rather than a drawn out chase. like i said coursing and hunting imo is different. same as foxing with hounds. its not effective. a rifle is , secondly it would be a lurcher. but hounds are used for sport. ssaluki or coursing bred dogs are also used to see how well they can course the hare, catching is irrelevant.

If catching is irrelevant then why is the coursing DVDs or coursing guys brag about 3/3, 5/5? Is there a dog won the forley and not caught? I think your confusing coursing greyhounds with lurchers. So the forley cup is hunting and the Waterloo cup coursing?

Lurchers are run at rabbits and hares to catch them . Greyhounds were run double- handed in the Waterloo cup to score points against each other, different ball game entirely.

No shit lol. I'll make the question easier..... Define coursing?

[trenchfoot 4,243]

I think folk confuse intelligence and game sense. The ability of some of the herding dog x's to work out a situation is second to non. few coursing dogs could do that, but neither would they need to. But the best coursing dogs (and any worthwhile lurcher) have game sense that they use to put game in the bag. The most intelligence of people are rarely the most practical or able.

[inan 841]

 

 

 

 

It depends what you class as coursing. Coursing to me is hunting hares, on here, it seems to be only coursing if its on the fens. So for me a coursing dog needs as much brains as any other hunting dog. Now if you were to ask me does a coursing owner on the fens need brains

what you do to me , is hunting not coursing. Coursing is just seeing how the dog runs. Hunting is catching it as quick as possible. Imo lol

Why is there a time limit on it? Many saluki blooded dogs will not attempt a strike until they have got a hare under control, , and they have "lined it up". How many times did you see Lucky strike, and miss overshooting in the process.? Virtually never .

All right he was an extreme example , being particularly canny behind his game. but the inherent boxing ability is a saluki trait, running just fast enough to keep the hare under pressure, easing off when the hare is out in the open , stepping up a gear to get between it and cover. I find this as riveting as the" up and at em", style . Its what's in the bag at the end of the day that matters.imo. I do agree with your definition though, what Baw describes is hunting , not coursing.

first of all to first reply. i didn say you can teach a dog, i said most if shown enough qurry will learn, so il take it your post was a long winded agree lol

secondly, i didnt say there was a time limit, but prefer a dog to catch asap. just my opinion. find it more exciting with a fast chase rather than a drawn out chase. like i said coursing and hunting imo is different. same as foxing with hounds. its not effective. a rifle is , secondly it would be a lurcher. but hounds are used for sport. ssaluki or coursing bred dogs are also used to see how well they can course the hare, catching is irrelevant.

Sorry you found my post long-winded , I used examples of dogs I've owned, and known, or been told about to illustrate my point, obviously as far as your concerned, I failed in that respect.

 

If you attention span is that short I can readily believe you would find a long course boring

 

.As you infer," up and at em dogs suit you" ,I enjoy watching both, as long as the quick ones do not lose too much ground over shooting , or unintentionally drive the quarry into cover, instead of keeping it out where it can be picked up, well, each to their own.

[inan 841]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It depends what you class as coursing. Coursing to me is hunting hares, on here, it seems to be only coursing if its on the fens. So for me a coursing dog needs as much brains as any other hunting dog. Now if you were to ask me does a coursing owner on the fens need brains

what you do to me , is hunting not coursing. Coursing is just seeing how the dog runs. Hunting is catching it as quick as possible. Imo lol

Why is there a time limit on it? Many saluki blooded dogs will not attempt a strike until they have got a hare under control, , and they have "lined it up". How many times did you see Lucky strike, and miss overshooting in the process.? Virtually never .

All right he was an extreme example , being particularly canny behind his game. but the inherent boxing ability is a saluki trait, running just fast enough to keep the hare under pressure, easing off when the hare is out in the open , stepping up a gear to get between it and cover. I find this as riveting as the" up and at em", style . Its what's in the bag at the end of the day that matters.imo. I do agree with your definition though, what Baw describes is hunting , not coursing.

first of all to first reply. i didn say you can teach a dog, i said most if shown enough qurry will learn, so il take it your post was a long winded agree lol

secondly, i didnt say there was a time limit, but prefer a dog to catch asap. just my opinion. find it more exciting with a fast chase rather than a drawn out chase. like i said coursing and hunting imo is different. same as foxing with hounds. its not effective. a rifle is , secondly it would be a lurcher. but hounds are used for sport. ssaluki or coursing bred dogs are also used to see how well they can course the hare, catching is irrelevant.

If catching is irrelevant then why is the coursing DVDs or coursing guys brag about 3/3, 5/5? Is there a dog won the forley and not caught? I think your confusing coursing greyhounds with lurchers. So the forley cup is hunting and the Waterloo cup coursing?

Lurchers are run at rabbits and hares to catch them . Greyhounds were run double- handed in the Waterloo cup to score points against each other, different ball game entirely.

No shit lol. I'll make the question easier..... Define coursing?

Coursing is the pursuit of game with sighthounds. I shit you not.

 

Now if you are after an argument you'll have to find another opponent,I'm off to the pub.

Charlatan?