lapin2008 1,587 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Mine are fed on rabbit all year round so very much equate rabbits to food. They often kill down the warrens but dont stay with the dead rabbit. I suspect this has something to do with them not being hungry when they go ferreting I cant believe people are actually still considering using muzzles in this day and age. Still its better they are on here asking questions about them than just following the advise of who ever is recommending them. 2 Quote Link to post
AirgunGuy 362 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 On the occasion where i dug down...the rabbit had buried its nose into the stop end and the jill had climbed over and trapped herself. I suspect the same had happened on the 2nd occasion. How often do you see a muzzle on a dog? I don't see it as a big issue...after all...we keep a wild animal that is used to roaming free locked in a small cage all of its life...a bit hypocritical imho Quote Link to post
lapin2008 1,587 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) On the occasion where i dug down...the rabbit had buried its nose into the stop end and the jill had climbed over and trapped herself. I suspect the same had happened on the 2nd occasion. How often do you see a muzzle on a dog? I don't see it as a big issue...after all...we keep a wild animal that is used to roaming free locked in a small cage all of its life...a bit hypocritical imho Often see muzzles on dogs when walking about the streets etc.. What you dont see is muzzled dogs being sent into the unknown to potentially go toe to toe with something 2/3 s its own body weight (rat/weasal) without the use of its teeth Edited November 7, 2012 by lapin2008 1 Quote Link to post
robbo 802 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 you say you dug down to your ferret so does this mean you have a locator. if so why worry about the ferret killing in. just dig it out. you get the ferret out quickly and also get the rabbit. no need for a medieval contraption. 2 Quote Link to post
AirgunGuy 362 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 On the occasion where i dug down...the rabbit had buried its nose into the stop end and the jill had climbed over and trapped herself. I suspect the same had happened on the 2nd occasion. How often do you see a muzzle on a dog? I don't see it as a big issue...after all...we keep a wild animal that is used to roaming free locked in a small cage all of its life...a bit hypocritical imho Often see muzzles on dogs when walking about the streets etc.. What you dont see is muzzled dogs being sent into the unknown to potentially go toe to toe with something 2/3 s its own body weight (rat/weasal) without the use of its teeth I don't ferret for rats or weasels and don't know anyone that does and have never known anyone coming across this. How often does this happen...1 in a thousand??? You've taken the topic to extremes and it's turned into a pointless debate! Quote Link to post
heritage 202 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Ferrets aren't wild animals that are used to roaming free....there a domesticated animal & all those that posted about trying muzzles are obviously rank amateurs when it comes to owning & working ferrets...there is absolutely nothing you could say to justify the use of a muzzle of any kind. So buy yourself a good spade and give your ferrets the chance to work unhindered......atb Quote Link to post
AirgunGuy 362 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 you say you dug down to your ferret so does this mean you have a locator. if so why worry about the ferret killing in. just dig it out. you get the ferret out quickly and also get the rabbit. no need for a medieval contraption. I had the collar on the other jill Quote Link to post
AirgunGuy 362 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Ferrets aren't wild animals that are used to roaming free....there a domesticated animal & all those that posted about trying muzzles are obviously rank amateurs when it comes to owning & working ferrets...there is absolutely nothing you could say to justify the use of a muzzle of any kind. So buy yourself a good spade and give your ferrets the chance to work unhindered......atb Ferrets aren't wild animals that are used to roaming free....there a domesticated animal & all those that posted about trying muzzles are obviously rank amateurs when it comes to owning & working ferrets...there is absolutely nothing you could say to justify the use of a muzzle of any kind. So buy yourself a good spade and give your ferrets the chance to work unhindered......atb So that's it is it??? You have spoken??? Lose a ferret and it will adapt and survive...why? Because it is a wild animal!!! Quote Link to post
fitchet 788 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 On the occasion where i dug down...the rabbit had buried its nose into the stop end and the jill had climbed over and trapped herself. I suspect the same had happened on the 2nd occasion. How often do you see a muzzle on a dog? I don't see it as a big issue...after all...we keep a wild animal that is used to roaming free locked in a small cage all of its life...a bit hypocritical imho Often see muzzles on dogs when walking about the streets etc.. What you dont see is muzzled dogs being sent into the unknown to potentially go toe to toe with something 2/3 s its own body weight (rat/weasal) without the use of its teeth I don't ferret for rats or weasels and don't know anyone that does and have never known anyone coming across this. How often does this happen...1 in a thousand??? You've taken the topic to extremes and it's turned into a pointless debate! Some places we ferret you can bolt a dozen rats a day when your after conies. As for you talking about a jill killing a rabbit in a stop ALL of the rabbits weve dug too are wedged in tight. Just trust me mate muzzles arnt a thing you should use. Invest in a locater and collers and youl be much better of. ATB Quote Link to post
lapin2008 1,587 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 On the occasion where i dug down...the rabbit had buried its nose into the stop end and the jill had climbed over and trapped herself. I suspect the same had happened on the 2nd occasion. How often do you see a muzzle on a dog? I don't see it as a big issue...after all...we keep a wild animal that is used to roaming free locked in a small cage all of its life...a bit hypocritical imho Often see muzzles on dogs when walking about the streets etc.. What you dont see is muzzled dogs being sent into the unknown to potentially go toe to toe with something 2/3 s its own body weight (rat/weasal) without the use of its teeth I don't ferret for rats or weasels and don't know anyone that does and have never known anyone coming across this. How often does this happen...1 in a thousand??? You've taken the topic to extremes and it's turned into a pointless debate! I am not talking about ferreting for rats and weasels. rats and weasels do venture into rabbit warrens especially weasels, I have seen weasels bolt from holes while the ferrets are down several times over the years. I dont know why your so adamant about using one tbh. You have been given plenty of reasons not to use a muzzle but for some reason the thought of having to dig a hole causes you more issues than the thought your ferrets might get hurt. Quote Link to post
AndyKelly 251 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 all i can say is if you use a muzzle how can your ferret defend itself if needed ?? i doubt you can dig down 4ft in seconds. these days you find allsorts down a bury with the rabbit, stoats,rats etc so how can your ferret put up a fight when its muzzeled Quote Link to post
pernod 466 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Im afraid but anyone who would want to work a ferret with a muzzle on deserves a boot in the nuts. its just plain stupid and in some instances cruel.Ferrets can and sometimes do come into contact with critters underground that can inflict punishment on them. If you care for ferret give the muzzle idea a bit more thought and while your at it give your head a good shake. Just my opinion of course. Yours in sport Pernod 1 Quote Link to post
AirgunGuy 362 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 I have a mk3 locator and 3 collars. I had 2 jills down at 1 point though made the mistake of only putting 1 collar on Quote Link to post
joe14 98 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 On the occasion where i dug down...the rabbit had buried its nose into the stop end and the jill had climbed over and trapped herself. I suspect the same had happened on the 2nd occasion. How often do you see a muzzle on a dog? I don't see it as a big issue...after all...we keep a wild animal that is used to roaming free locked in a small cage all of its life...a bit hypocritical imho Theres a difference between muzzling a dog, most dog muzzles (basket muzzles, still allow movement of the mouth). With a ferret obviously the muzzle has to be so tight to keep the mouth closed and prevent it from getting it off. You might keep yours in small cages, speak for yourself but alot on here keep ferrets in courts my court is about 14ft by 5ft. Quote Link to post
AirgunGuy 362 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 On the occasion where i dug down...the rabbit had buried its nose into the stop end and the jill had climbed over and trapped herself. I suspect the same had happened on the 2nd occasion. How often do you see a muzzle on a dog? I don't see it as a big issue...after all...we keep a wild animal that is used to roaming free locked in a small cage all of its life...a bit hypocritical imho Theres a difference between muzzling a dog, most dog muzzles (basket muzzles, still allow movement of the mouth). With a ferret obviously the muzzle has to be so tight to keep the mouth closed and prevent it from getting it off. You might keep yours in small cages, speak for yourself but alot on here keep ferrets in courts my court is about 14ft by 5ft. My ferrets are kept in a hutch that i made myself which is larger than most i've seen and they're out in the garden every day so they're well looked after. Whether it's a ferret mansion like yours or a more than adequate hutch like mine it's still confining a wild animal but that's not the arguement. And neither is the dog muzzle issue though while on the subject...muzzling a dog takes away it's only form of defence so not much of a difference. I don't see it as a problem if someone wants to put a suitable muzzle on a ferret for a short period of time while ferreting for rabbits and the muzzle does not clamp the ferrets jaws closed completely...merely restricts the jaws. That was the only point i was making!!! Quote Link to post
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