Ireland I.W.T.F. at Birr.

[neil cooney 10,416]

That's good to hear Albert.

I know very well I wasn't the only one who was busy. Every where I looked there was someone flat out making sure things went smoothly.

I looked over a couple of times at the lurcher ring and could see that the lurcher judge really did have his hands full.

I'm sure the whippet judge had the same difficult job.

They are two gents I had a good chat with afterwards and believe me we all had a great day.

 

Just a quick thank you to the Roscrea lads and lasses. They really did make sure things ran smoothly and are great bunch of folk.

They have a club there that really would be the envy of anyone.

Thanks again,

Neil.

[richie198 28]

well done lads and to all fighting the corner for all country sports.

and i wish the IWTF the best of luck

[AlbertJ 569]

That's good to hear Albert.

I know very well I wasn't the only one who was busy. Every where I looked there was someone flat out making sure things went smoothly.

I looked over a couple of times at the lurcher ring and could see that the lurcher judge really did have his hands full.

I'm sure the whippet judge had the same difficult job.

They are two gents I had a good chat with afterwards and believe me we all had a great day.

 

Just a quick thank you to the Roscrea lads and lasses. They really did make sure things ran smoothly and are great bunch of folk.

They have a club there that really would be the envy of anyone.

Thanks again,

Neil.

 

Neil,

 

Yes this was the first time the Roscrea Club had organised both show and racing ( last year they just organised the racing) and they rose magnificently to the challenge of working a completely new race track when the sileage contractor decided to take heavy machinery down the lurcher track that they & we had spent time preparing for last year and then swinging into action for a second day to run what I hear was a very big show. Yes my own team and the estate team helped out cutting and rolling race track and rings and posting rings but the club have a great and enthusiastic membership and shouldered the rest of the work. Great to see from the chairman down to the kids turned out in their smart club shirts - yes a great example of how a club should be run with enthusiasm and commitment.they have our full confidence for 2013.

 

Albertj

[Corkonian 44]

just hunt - I don't speak for the IWTF or Albert's gang but here's my opinion on your opinion

 

But being asked to pay 15 EURO into a game fair so you can pay 10 euro to the IWTF dosnt seem right

The whole idea of going to the game fairs was surely to make it easy for people to join - but you're totally against that concept. What else can the IWTF do? Call to every potential member's house and hold their hand while they sign up?

It's handy having these organizations at the one event - On Sunday I renewed my WDAOI membership and also paid a few euro I owed to the NARGC.

 

I wonder how many people went to Birr JUST to join the IWTF? Seriously PM me if anyone did - I have no access to the names taken at the IWTF stand on the day but will ask whoever does if your name appears there - then I will know you're genuine. That will be the total Albert and co 'made' from supporting the IWTF

 

I agree the IWTF is a young org and is feeling its way a bit ,BUT i too was in the

Horse andJocky that day and felt the passion and was realy excited about the whole thing

The IWTF's job is to be a voice for terrier work - they're not here to entertain you. It's a boring job but - as we nearly found out the hard way - someone has to do it because no one was.

 

The IWTF needs to make it alot easier to join maybe a rep in each county or something similiar .

 

You seem to be familiar with the IWTF site so you've seen the page with the membership forms -

Members

What part of the process are you having difficulty with? I'm not being a smart ass here - I genuinely want to know. All that stuff costs a lot of money - PO Box, Cards, web site etc. - if something's not working then let them know.

 

also i think the front page of any web site should be for Latest News .To tell the members whats happening

 

That's what's on it! It wasn't only the game fairs that were attended by the IWTF but also a few smaller shows earlier in the summer - they were also publicized on the site. Have you an issue with them as well?

 

A big problem with a fledgeling organization like the IWTF is that no one knows about it or what it stands for. These days a website can solve that easily. Again it's not solely aimed at it's members but at furthering the cause.

Coveney gets something across his desk referencing the IWTF - first question he'll have is 'who the f**k are they' - maybe not in those words Quick search and he's on our site - he sees that we have ties with other organizations so maybe we're not a bunch of thugs in wife beater t-shirts - like the anti's portray us. So maybe he could do business with us. Do you get my point?

[p3d 879]

"Just Hunt" can have an opinion like anyone else.

There will be many voices in the IWTF, some like terrier shows and other people will think they are useless regarding working terriers.

I would thank the Organisers of the Birr show for giving the IWTF the chance to reach a wider audience.

They were generous with space, time and tickets to help our cause.

It is one BRANCH of the overall strategy that an ACTIVE federation must take.

But I can also understand "Just Hunt's" frustration at the lack of support from the wider hunting community (NARGC,FACE,HAI etc..) behind the scene.

[Corkonian 44]

But I can also understand "Just Hunt's" frustration at the lack of support from the wider hunting community (NARGC,FACE,HAI etc..) behind the scene.

I think that it's fairly clear in this thread that he wants the IWTF to go it alone?

I would be one for standing on my own ywo feet ,but then again

The IWTF needs to stand on its own two feet and not be anybody elses lap dog to have any credability

Having a go at an organization who openly supports the IWTF is hardly a great way of expressing his "frustration at the lack of support" as you put it.

[shane-1 31]

That's good to hear Albert.

I know very well I wasn't the only one who was busy. Every where I looked there was someone flat out making sure things went smoothly.

I looked over a couple of times at the lurcher ring and could see that the lurcher judge really did have his hands full.

I'm sure the whippet judge had the same difficult job.

They are two gents I had a good chat with afterwards and believe me we all had a great day.

 

Just a quick thank you to the Roscrea lads and lasses. They really did make sure things ran smoothly and are great bunch of folk.

They have a club there that really would be the envy of anyone.

Thanks again,

Neil.

 

Neil,

 

Yes this was the first time the Roscrea Club had organised both show and racing ( last year they just organised the racing) and they rose magnificently to the challenge of working a completely new race track when the sileage contractor decided to take heavy machinery down the lurcher track that they & we had spent time preparing for last year and then swinging into action for a second day to run what I hear was a very big show. Yes my own team and the estate team helped out cutting and rolling race track and rings and posting rings but the club have a great and enthusiastic membership and shouldered the rest of the work. Great to see from the chairman down to the kids turned out in their smart club shirts - yes a great example of how a club should be run with enthusiasm and commitment.they have our full confidence for 2013.

 

Albertj

thanks very much albert plessure working wit you and your team your a top man and the people of ireland should be so grateful for the efford you put into fair clubs ect ect well done

[shane-1 31]

That's good to hear Albert.

I know very well I wasn't the only one who was busy. Every where I looked there was someone flat out making sure things went smoothly.

I looked over a couple of times at the lurcher ring and could see that the lurcher judge really did have his hands full.

I'm sure the whippet judge had the same difficult job.

They are two gents I had a good chat with afterwards and believe me we all had a great day.

 

Just a quick thank you to the Roscrea lads and lasses. They really did make sure things ran smoothly and are great bunch of folk.

They have a club there that really would be the envy of anyone.

Thanks again,

Neil.

thanks very much neil be in touch asap

[p3d 879]

But I can also understand "Just Hunt's" frustration at the lack of support from the wider hunting community (NARGC,FACE,HAI etc..) behind the scene.

I think that it's fairly clear in this thread that he wants the IWTF to go it alone?

I would be one for standing on my own ywo feet ,but then again

The IWTF needs to stand on its own two feet and not be anybody elses lap dog to have any credability

Having a go at an organization who openly supports the IWTF is hardly a great way of expressing his "frustration at the lack of support" as you put it.

 

Frustration usually happens when there is a lack of communication.

If there is more information available regarding

 

1, Progress of affiliation with these Hunting organizations.

2, Progress of the Animal Health Welfare Bill 2012.

3, Progress and updates of any Committee Meetings. How many?

4, Numbers of Clubs and members signed up.

5, etc...etc...

 

A News update on the IWTF site or a WEBTEXT to members could only help.

 

A man can have an opinion.

 

I do not wish to carry on this conversation any further on THL. IWTF business should happen elsewhere.

ATB

[AlbertJ 569]

But I can also understand "Just Hunt's" frustration at the lack of support from the wider hunting community (NARGC,FACE,HAI etc..) behind the scene.

I think that it's fairly clear in this thread that he wants the IWTF to go it alone?

I would be one for standing on my own ywo feet ,but then again

The IWTF needs to stand on its own two feet and not be anybody elses lap dog to have any credability

Having a go at an organization who openly supports the IWTF is hardly a great way of expressing his "frustration at the lack of support" as you put it.

 

Frustration usually happens when there is a lack of communication.

If there is more information available regarding

 

1, Progress of affiliation with these Hunting organizations.

2, Progress of the Animal Health Welfare Bill 2012.

3, Progress and updates of any Committee Meetings. How many?

4, Numbers of Clubs and members signed up.

5, etc...etc...

 

A News update on the IWTF site or a WEBTEXT to members could only help.

 

A man can have an opinion.

 

I do not wish to carry on this conversation any further on THL. IWTF business should happen elsewhere.

ATB

 

 

P3D,

 

Two good inputs from you and Corkonian. As you can see from posts I didn't mind JH having his opinion of me and my colleagues but his attacks on the IWTF in abusive language were unwarranted.

 

When any new organisation is formed , especially on the basis of enthusiasm, people tend to want to see immediate results but I am sure you can appreciate that more basic things such as building up strength, meeting relevant cognate organisations, establishing credilibility with the other country sports organisations and setting objectives and strategies have to be dealt with. Going off 'half cocked' on 'solo runs' is the last thing the IWTF needs to be doing. The federation should be in 'for the long haul' and that takes time.

 

I can appreciate that members want information but of the points you put I think many of them must of necessity be confidential to the committee as probably progress is ongoing. i.e

 

1, Progress of affiliation with these Hunting organizations.

2, Progress of the Animal Health Welfare Bill 2012.

 

Both of these are sensitive and will be subject to negotiations - I suspect the former can only really take place when the IWTF is longer established and the latter I know is being dealt with by people whose ability and integrity I trust and are very experienced in political negotiation.

 

4. Numbers of Clubs and members signed up - Again this sort of information should possibly be reported to the members at a general meeting or be available to members through a secure area of the site.

3, Progress and updates of any Committee Meetings. How many? In my opinion this information should be available to members.

 

I am not a member of the IWTF but I do wish to see it succeed - not out of any self interest ( as implied by JH) but because I think it will be good for working dog owners and countrysports as a whole.

 

I make the suggestions from a background of having been chairman of many clubs and organisations and my advice would be to people who feel frustrated is to give the committee your support and confidence for a year to make progress on all of these fronts and to then bring their report to an AGM for your approval or otherwise.

 

Albertj

Edited August 31, 2012 by AlbertJ

[just hunt 69]

When somebody knows nothing about something they would be better off

saying fxxk all

Edited August 31, 2012 by just hunt

[AlbertJ 569]

When somebody knows nothing about something they would be better off

saying fxxk all

 

That seems the sort of advice you should take yourself.

 

When did you last form a campaigning organisation, chair a major club or organisation, organise any major event, lobby politicians, lobby sporting organisations, work with major sporting organisations on legislation in lobbying/PR etc, organise demonstrations etc? Let us hear your experience/success in any of these areas? Otherwise I think you should take your own advice!

Edited August 31, 2012 by AlbertJ

[source 135]

When somebody knows nothing about something they would be better off

saying fxxk all

 

That seems the sort of advice you should take yourself.

 

When did you last form a campaigning organisation, chair a major club or organisation, organise any major event, lobby politicians, lobby sporting organisations, work with major sporting organisations on legislation in lobbying/PR etc, organise demonstrations etc? Let us hear your experience/success in any of these areas? Otherwise I think you should take your own advice!

 

Hi Albert,

I do not get in any conflict on any forum, but just to put you in the picture. A few year ago when the RISE campaign started just hunt campaigned very hard for the future of hunting. The ward union, the puppy farming bill, he went to Dail Eireann on a few occasions to lobby T.Ds, and lobbied his local T.Ds aswell. Went to the RISE rallys in Waterford, which was the biggest RISE rally ever, he went to the one in Trim, and also the one in Cashel. When this was all happening, and people said it was not going to happen to them because they had not got 6 bitches in their kennell, and hunting with hounds had nothing to do with them either. Now people are getting principles when they think it is going to affect them, it is a pity they were not like just hunt, and a minority of people 2 years ago, we might be in a far better position now.

I do not want to carry this discussion on any further, but the fight for our country sports must go on.

[AlbertJ 569]

When somebody knows nothing about something they would be better off

saying fxxk all

 

That seems the sort of advice you should take yourself.

 

When did you last form a campaigning organisation, chair a major club or organisation, organise any major event, lobby politicians, lobby sporting organisations, work with major sporting organisations on legislation in lobbying/PR etc, organise demonstrations etc? Let us hear your experience/success in any of these areas? Otherwise I think you should take your own advice!

 

Hi Albert,

I do not get in any conflict on any forum, but just to put you in the picture. A few year ago when the RISE campaign started just hunt campaigned very hard for the future of hunting. The ward union, the puppy farming bill, he went to Dail Eireann on a few occasions to lobby T.Ds, and lobbied his local T.Ds aswell. Went to the RISE rallys in Waterford, which was the biggest RISE rally ever, he went to the one in Trim, and also the one in Cashel. When this was all happening, and people said it was not going to happen to them because they had not got 6 bitches in their kennell, and hunting with hounds had nothing to do with them either. Now people are getting principles when they think it is going to affect them, it is a pity they were not like just hunt, and a minority of people 2 years ago, we might be in a far better position now.

I do not want to carry this discussion on any further, but the fight for our country sports must go on.

 

Thanks for the information - if you look over the posts between JH and myself at no time did I offer any personal abuse to him or about him - unlike the reverse. Also unlike JH I do not take a short term perspective on defending countrysports but have been promoting country sports and defending them for nearly 40 years personally, facilitating the sporting organisations at or fairs, through our fairs, our magazines, our and my personal sponsorship and donations to events and organisations and lobbying MPs and MLAs. And I still retain my enthusiasm for helping where I can in the battles to retain all of our sports.

 

When the Animal Rights movements started in earnest in NI - we were attacked on the PR front by the ARM and I was singled out for a persistent and violent campaign by the ALF. Our fairs were attacked, there were protests outside the fairs and even an aircraft with banner buzzing the fair for two days, my cars were attacked,we had threatening 'phone calls to the house every night through the night for over 6 months, my house was attacked several times, my family was threatened by name, letters were written to all of my neighbours, and I was personally attacked by about a dozen outside my house. Further four of the ALF posed masked with cross bows and 'semtex' for the Sunday World and made a death threat publicly. If JH does not realise the contribution we have made to the defence of field sports the antis certainly did!

 

Of course I fought back - including routing my attackers with a baseball bat, 'capturing' four of them damaging our posters and holding them until the police arrested them on a 'conduct

liable to lead to a breach of the peace' charge. They got off because they said that they had locked themselves in their car fearing violence from just two of us - which might just possibly have been true! And most importantly taking the Northern Office to Court for the criminal damage to my car and having the ALF activity come under the anti terrorist laws- this making the ALF a proscribed organisation in NI - and easier for victims of their terror tactics to get compensation. .Finally by identifying the ring leaders and making them personally responsible for my family's safety. It was a moral victory when the ARM issued a statement saying they were giving up protesting at our fairs because they had been unable to convince the public against them.

 

In my opinion the biggest threat to country sports comes from within and people attacking fellow country sports people with all the the bitterness that that engenders. It sounds as if JH and I would have more in common than he perhaps thinks and I would certainly like to know what I have done to offend him to have stimulated his campaign of criticism on this forum.

 

It is going to be a long term and ongoing battle for our sports with very few short term victories. I certainly am in for the 'long haul'.

 

Albertj

[just hunt 69]

A.T

Under no circumstances have I personaly abused you .That is not my form .

Criticize and dissagree with you ,but not personal abuse .

 

You seem to think my post about (saying fxxkall ) was personaly directed at you

It was directed at a lot of people .....

 

As far as i am concerned this conversation is over ,All the dog shows are all but over so

 

LET THE HUNTING COMMENCE