would you buy a rifle if it did this...

[Skot Ruthless Teale 1,701]

hey guys other day one of my mates was looking at a second hand hw77 he got offered at a pretty good price apparently, wouldnt tell me how much tho

 

he said it wasnt in the best of conditions and was slightly rusty and the stock was quite badly scratched. he didnt take any pics tho..

 

one thing he did say was that when he was looking at it the underlever felt a bit loose/ rattely and he asked the guy why it was like that. the guy told him that as he was cocking the rifle one day the underlever slipped out of his hand as it was almost cocked but then it slammed shut and thats why it rattles.. would this affect the accuracy of the gun.? he said there werent any cracks underneath or at the fore-end of the stock or anything like that, and he said it still felt ok to shoot, apart from the rattle. he said he was hitting an apple in this guys garden 4/5 times. he doesnt know the exact range he just said medium. so godknows what that means lol.

 

anyway do you think it would be worth buying and will it still be accurate after being slammed shut..? he said the barrel didnt look bent but to the naked eye it could be a lot worse than it looks couldnt it? ..

 

cheers for any help

 

also he wants to know if he could like tighten the underlever so it doesnt rattle

Edited August 24, 2012 by Skot Ruthless Teale

[overkill 28]

christ save his money dont buy this gun, of couse if its loose it will effect accuracy. if he cant hit an apple every shot i suggest he starts practising more on paper targets with a rest until he can hit a 5p piece consistently at 30 yards.

[ftm 3,357]

it will be fine as long as he,s only on the hunt for apples!

[Skot Ruthless Teale 1,701]

id have gone with him..im a bit better of 'a shot' than him (although he wont admit it lol) , but i think he was in a secretive mood kinda thing, was just going to show up and surprise me that he had a new rifle, but then when he found out it was ..broken??/dodgy? he had second thoughts on it.

 

so if this guys nearly cocked it let go and the underlever has slammed shut do you think it will have definately done some major damage to the accuracy?

[overkill 28]

theres a thousand airrifles for sale why by something that has a chance of being inaccurate?

[pianoman 3,589]

Ouch! Your mate needs a gunsmith with skills and tools Skot.

 

A bit of outside surface rust and a battered stock will not scupper an HW77's accuracy alone.

 

Letting the cocking arm go under tension of the spring means, either the beartrap mechanism didn't quite engage before the guy lost his grip. Or, it might have been removed completely. I've heard of some HW77 owners who've removed the beartrap, so the gun can be made to de-cock. Not wise!

 

It may probably have caused the barrel to misalign/bend upwards when the lever slammed back into the lockup under the barrel, (usual thing with spring guns, especially break barrels that have suffered this.). In severe cases the stock gets split through the pistol grip and down the buttstock.

 

Clearly, with the cocking lever/arm itself loose, the action on firing is causing vibration shock on the lever to butt against the rifle and pushing the shot off target.

 

If the barrel can be straightened and re-aligned back into true, there's a chance the underlever can be reset securely again.

 

Frankly mate, it sounds buggered!

Edited August 24, 2012 by pianoman

[Skot Ruthless Teale 1,701]

Ouch! Your mate needs a gunsmith with skills and tools Skot.

 

A bit of outside surface rust and a battered stock will not scupper an HW77's accuracy alone.

 

Letting the cocking arm go under tension of the spring means, either the beartrap mechanism didn't quite engage before the guy lost his grip. Or, it might have been removed completely. I've heard of some HW77 owners who've removed the beartrap, so the gun can be made to de-cock. Not wise!

 

It may probably have caused the barrel to misalign/bend upwards when the lever slammed back into the lockup under the barrel, (usual thing with spring guns, especially break barrels that have suffered this.). In severe cases the stock gets split through the pistol grip and down the buttstock.

 

Clearly, with the cocking lever/arm itself loose, the action on firing is causing vibration shock on the lever to butt against the rifle and pushing the shot off target.

 

If the barrel can be straightened and re-aligned back into true, there's a chance the underlever can be reset securely again.

 

Frankly mate, it sounds buggered!

yep my thoughts exactly!

 

he didnt need telling to look else where. respect for the owner of the gun tho telling him why the underlever was rattling.. a lot of dishonest people would have made some BS up to get their sale money..

[bigmac 97kt 13,836]

hi mate tell him to take it back and ask for his money back pianomans right it needs a gun smith and will cost him a lot more money than he paid for it atbmac

[toby63 1,236]

i didnt know the 77s had beartrap on them pianoman thought it was the 97.

[pianoman 3,589]

I think both the HW97 and HW77 share the same bear-trap system Toby. Certainly there's one fitted to the HW77 I have.

 

Pianoman

Edited August 24, 2012 by pianoman

[johnbaz 363]

Hi

 

My HW77 doesn't have an anti beartrap fitted but it's a mk1 from 1983, I'm fairly sure that the mk1 didn't have this feature..

 

The lever slamming shut can have caused all sorts of problems and I would only have bought one in this state as a 'parts' gun....

 

 

John

Edited August 26, 2012 by johnbaz

[pianoman 3,589]

MIne does John but, it is a much later HW77 than yours, only about four years old according to Weihrauch's record of the serial number.. My rifle's beartrap was pointed out to me when I had the rifle tuned and the gunsmith indicated it by saying that, if the beartrap is removed, it makes the rifle possible to de-cock.

 

I certainly wanted it to remain in place. And I cannot de-cock my HW77.

 

I absolutely agree this fellow has bought a badly-treated example and really worth only scrap for spares.

 

Simon

[Skot Ruthless Teale 1,701]

no he didnt buy it.. he knows a bit better than that, hes not a total idiot hahaa

[Millet 4,497]

If the underlever is loose it can easily be fixed by replacing the spring in the end of the barrel where the bullet nosed catch is that hold's the underlever arm in place..

[johnbaz 363]

If the underlever is loose it can easily be fixed by replacing the spring in the end of the barrel where the bullet nosed catch is that hold's the underlever arm in place..

 

But it could also have bent the barrel up wards, HW use mild steel for their barrels and an underlever smashing in to the barrel wouldn't do it any good

 

I used to have a HW35e, the barrel was bent down so much due to enthusiastic cocking that the scope couldn't be zero'd, I had to remove the barrel and set it up in the vice between two lengths of angle iron and three bits of wood..

 

It was fine after that

 

 

 

Cheers, John