nobjerk 161 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 any advice appreciated , expensive knife so dont want to mess it up . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the big chief 3,099 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 get some very fine sand paper what you use on metle wrap it round some thing what will fit in the grove and work a way buddy only way i do mine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hyperion 122 Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Spot on Gaffer! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnight 657 Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 yeo its what i tell people to do , start with 240 grit and change it out once it begins to show wear , keep all the paper fresh what ever you wrap it round it will work better if its a hard object like a file , if you just put the fresh paper over the old it will cushion it a little . 240 grit to 600grit will see you right . be carful to keep the angle the same or you will round it off not sharpen it . all the best , matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caprelous 217 Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) any advice appreciated , expensive knife so dont want to mess it up . any advice appreciated , expensive knife so dont want to mess it up . ¬Get yourself an american old timer shrade hone steel like what we use on our gralloching knives the edge held is unbelievable But dont tell everybody or they will all have sharp knives like us lot http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-ORIGINAL-SCHRADE-OLD-TIMER-HONESTEEL-HS-1-FOR-SHARPENING-KNIVES-KNIFE-/350578947510?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a02235b6#ht_500wt_949 Edited July 6, 2012 by Caprelous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnight 657 Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 steel will only sort it out short term you will need to grind back at some point . im not sure a steel will do a gut hook very well unless its perfect fit . all the best , matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caprelous 217 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) steel will only sort it out short term you will need to grind back at some point . im not sure a steel will do a gut hook very well unless its perfect fit . all the best , matt steel will only sort it out short term you will need to grind back at some point . im not sure a steel will do a gut hook very well unless its perfect fit . all the best , matt My knifes are all hand made out of German white steel that has a exceptionally high chromium content and are or were used as doctor sighting blades for precision machiners working to thousands of an inch on bench test equiptment. The same steel as used in Krupp german cut throat razors. Other than in the manufacture of the blade they have never seen a grinder or ever will. I can and do shave my face with my knifes and I should add they get more stick than any average person could put one to in the hunting field. Some of my knives have gralloched over 300 deer taking of legs etc and gutting wild animals. Something that most knives today are not even capable of doing , I sharpen my knife every time its used 3 strokes a side with the steel and the profile is constantly maintained always ready for use. Chromium tool steel is the finest knife steel in the world thats a fact. Surface plane iron are made out of it and spindle moulder irons that are cutting many thousand cubic ft of timber a day what we put it through dosent come anywhere near what its capable of. Cheerrs Stu I get my blanks in machine straight edge form from a specialised source who cater for the engineering sections working in the steam industry where quality of steel is important. I pay £5 for each bar 16" long by 2" wide by 1/4" thick In fact I will be picking some up at the end of the month for one or two of my mates. Edited July 7, 2012 by Caprelous Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Well said Stu. Most lads don't bother sharpening their knifes until its a blunt as a badgers arse, the key to maintaining an edge is keeping it sharp all the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnight 657 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Do you know I bloody knew you would come out with something like that!! There is no "finest steel in the world" for knives all have their own properties and advantages, pros and cons. custom knives are simply that beauty bought to function, as a butcher I used non custom knives from a German factory!! And they saw and please believe me allot more that 300 deer!! And as for abuse in service well how can a butchers collection of knives (because that’s what it takes to do a professional job of butchery!) How can they take any less abuse? for example a boning knife if you are good at your job will last 12 months that’s all , and yes it will see a bloody grinder because that’s how’s blades have been made and kept sharp and have been forever !! If you wanted to impress anyone you would use the £5,000 worth of Japanese stones it requires to do it at the level you claim. Shaving with a knife is nothing new and only in the last 30 years have people forgotten how to maintain that edge, it was after all how the entire bloody world cut their hair etc. and can I draw your attention the real world where you ARE on a website that is all about hunting , everyone on here hunts and uses knives , some better than others !! and there are allot of guy taking deer , I know there is one guy on here took 126 deer last season , and I’m sure he owns a knife ! Again steel is never will be or shall be the only thing you need to keep a knife sharp!! it only polishes the 3 thousandths of an inch of the cutting edge if that angle is wrong or needs grinding back you are doing nothing at all , and will need to re establish that bevel by grinding !! I was trained by a 5th generation butcher the family had been on the same premises for a few hundred years and we slaughtered own animals , we ground our knives and used steels but as soon as your knife hits bone wood teeth etc it is no longer as sharp as it was !! There is way too much myth and legend with this stuff. As for using industrial planer blades or whatever so what there are thousands of compositions of blade steel and not many are used as they are simply that industrial grade tooling steel. I could forge a blade from s2 steel from a cold chisel it would be incredibly though and take an immense amount of hammering and abuse but would it be a good knife? no its a steel designed to take hammering etc not a beautiful fine edge and remain stable throughout tempering and allow you to draw the very best from its composition , infect it would go blunt every few seconds due to that fact ! Another thing with razor steel it has no flexibility when tempered correctly as razors!! so your knife is either incorrectly tempered or you run the risk of it snapping , I know you’re going to come back at me ,that you have had it 200 years and it’s never let you down YET !! Well maybe you’re not using it right? There are other butchers on here and we see the use of knives and there function etc very differently to other users and the claims are priceless from some guys out there! Chromium, ask guys who forges knives about chromium it’s not desirable to use guys that know less than you with you industrial planer blades. I’m sure at £6 for whatever length you think you have beaten the system or something finding this gem of a metal, I doubt it very much the finest things are expensive through scarcity or the quality control and skill it requires to make it!! Try some powder steel and tell me it’s not the finest technically available steel there is at the moment if you want it in mass produced volume? I personally would rather a knife made by reforming from old, like the sax knife I will advertise later today made from medieval horse shoes forge welded with files that are well over 100 years old to makes something not only beautiful but that has history locked inside it and that has a feel of something truly unique and almost impossible to find! Each to their own I suppose, but thank you for the debate, no hard feeling I hope. All the best, matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonah. 775 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Did someone mention Knife and sale ??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caprelous 217 Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 No hard feelings one bit bit Matt, The guy asked for advice, hell fire I gave it to him him he pleases himself if he wishers to take it ,I certainly care not a jot , As I am not trying to sell anything to him ,he looses nothing etc knowledge . My knives work a treat and certainly hold their edge . it must be how i am not using them correctly as you say, the deer dont seem to be complaining as its being gralloched or at least i havent heard one say bloody hell thats blunt . Cheers Mate Stu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nobjerk 161 Posted July 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 thanks for the advice guys much appreciated Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unclepesta 100 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 chainsaw file of correct size,or fine dowel with sand paper.or get a fitting steel if possible Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unclepesta 100 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 oh ye you can go electric too not that i would..dremmel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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